Capitalism is killing our morals, our future

Sure there are; how can you guarantee anything without a morals test?

 

You can run my morals through a computer and it will show that they are more logically consistent than anyone else's.

 

nuff said? lol you didnt answer the question. In fact your fingers refused to type the actual honest answer. Exactly as I predicted. Ill even give you one more chance to answer.

 

Can your morals be any better than your arguments? The person who resorts to the fewest fallacies, wins.

 

The nature of Man is it's own greatest threat. Capitalism is simply transparent in allowing us to see the truth of our corruption. No change in economic system will cure our ailments. You would merely see the power of greed shift from one group of people to another.

 

They had a goal that you can see if you look back (what these protests caused) Trying to cause more fight against this capitalistic system, trying to get masses of people fighting the banks and corruption.

The current capitalistic system has caused a society that is only after growth. And because of the high amount of people the natural resources are going dry out one day, so this process can only lead to disaster one day, you already see that one day of oil crisis or a bank collapse can lead to chaos. This oil and capital (gold, houses, stock/financial markets, monopolies, etc) based capitalism should be convertered to one with a more solid fundament, you have to start with alternative energy sources there are (two biggest are geothermical and tidal) and small banks, and trying to make everything very efficient. But nothing will change to a better world soon, because they need fighting masses of people to get control over them They use this capitalistic system mainly to gain power, by wealth, by gathering large amounts of capital, who has the most wealth and monopolies has the most power over every branch of the system.

 

The central tenet of capitalism is economic freedom, and you're suggesting that... economic freedom is bad??? The profit motive you speak of is essentially greed, and it's a common fallacy that greed is unique to capitalism.

[video=youtube;RWsx1X8PV_A]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWsx1X8PV_A[/video]

 

nvm that his 3.66trillion figure is fraudulent, more debt has already been added under Obama than under Bush, even before the last election. I don't believe Bush was much better in that regard, but it's plain fraudulent to suggest Bush handled the debt worse than Obama.

'Nuff said.

 

I guess you are talking about the only way a low income family can have their daughter go to a good college is for her to become some wealthy old goat's "sugar baby". I have to get his book. But here is another good one: "Supercapitalism The Transformation of Business, Democracy and Everyday Life" by Robert Reich.

 

I assure you, I have never committed a logical fallacy on this forum, and frequently point out others'. Just look at the circumcision and heroin threads for proof.

My mom was raised by poor dirt farmers from Wisconsin. She got a job at McDonald's and worked her way through college to become a CPA.

But apparently, working for something is an alien concept to you lefties.

Also, college is BS. Learning a skilled trade is vastly more cost-efficient, and I'm planning to become a CCENT soon.

 

I had a job in high school, and a job in college (in NY), but I also remember that college was far cheaper then than it is now. I confess that I like the idea as in much of the OECD countries that college is very cheap and open to nearly anyone who has the smarts to get in. Having current college students graduate with huge debts is turning them into economic slaves.

As a retired boomer I like the idea of giving the next generation a good education and a clean environment. That is a good investment for my tax dollars. As a leftie I guess I have a bigger idea of my responsibilities for the next generation.

 

Only the ones who get worthless liberal arts degrees. The ones with STEM degrees quickly find themselves with six-figure incomes.

You are only responsible for the well-being of your own kids, and only until they can be responsible for themselves. Anything else is a delusion.

 

Interestingly, it was people like Occupy Wall Street who embodied these qualities the most. Griping about not having enough while tweeting their complaints on their Iphones and Ipads. Too dumb to see the irony in what they were doing.

Oh, I agree. "I'm going to get on welfare and let the system take care of me," is certainly not a very healthy or moral way to make money. And the more people that think like this, the quicker we move toward social and economic collapse. It's time to remind people how to take care of themselves. They're not as helpless as they've been led to believe they are.

 

Capitalism in the west no longer "lifts all boats". Wages are no longer tied to productivity levels - we're producing more and getting less. We now live in a post-fordist world.

 

I don't think cutting off rich kids from "their parent's" money would be so effective anymore. The traditional model of the capitalist dynastic family has been going out of fashion for some time now with the upper classes. Capitalism has a tendency to rationalize people's mindsets as it progresses, capitalists feel less of a responsibility to work for their descendant's benefit.

 

Predict this: I supported my claim. I don't have to do anything more. I'll even to it again...

"The debt had increased by 34 percent, or $3.66 trillion, under Obama -- well below the 86 percent increase, or a total of $4.9 trillion, under George W. Bush."
http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin...ent-obama-built-nations-16-trillion-debt-gop/

Bush:. 86% debt increase
Obama: 34% debt increase

 

You've got your head in a hole. I don't know why you insist on such partisan bs.

From your own link: "In saying Obama was the debt king among the last five presidents dating back to Ronald Reagan, PolitiFact National found that under one measure -- debt as a percentage of gross national product -- Obama ranked highest. As of December 2010, the ratio under Obama had risen nearly 22 percentage points; Reagan was second at 14.9."

Your preferred way of looking at it would mean that if the national debt was $1 under President A and it increased to $1,000,000, President B, under YOUR way of measuring it, would be better even if he accrued an additional 999trillion in debt. Which is utter bullcrap, that only a partisan hack would buy.

 

The system of capitalism is inherently evil. Capitalism requires the private ownership of the means of production. Thus, in order to achieve the capitalist goal, the land which nature freely provided, and which all have an equal right to access, must be appropriated and turned into private property -- such that some individuals can charge other individuals for the advantages offered by nature. Capitalism therefore results in a flawed distribution of wealth, where landowners can enjoy luxurious consumption without ever engaging in production; simply because they are privileged by government to “own” what nature provided for free.

 

You erroneously assume that private ownership of land is a characteristic of all capitalist systems. Have you never heard of geolibertarianism?

 

I am a geolibertarian. That is why I advocate free markets, but I don’t consider capitalism, as it is popularly defined, to be a free market system.

 

Since real capitlaism has been grossly undermined by government policy over the last sixty years to the point that what we have to day can scarcely be called capitalism please tell me how capitalism has ruined anything?

 

That's a crock of sheet generated by the wealthy. The ladder doesn't exist unless you have a criminal partner. Basically, the only unwealthy people left are simply consumers that the wealthy feed off of. There is no "bright" future with crapitalism....only continued devastation and MORE for the already wealthy. Give it a rest dude.

 

The only problems capitalism has are:

1 Socialism dragging it under. Driving wages higher, profits down until company disappears overseas or all together

2 Large corporations owning the govt

3 Banking system: see point 2

 

I've said this before. When you place a monetary value on absolutely everything, you have a very broken society. And there are many in the world who believe they can buy anything, and in fact, for enough money, would seel their soul to the devil.

And what's this all for? Well, within the Fiat monetary system, it amounts to increasing the amount of zero's in a database. This is the aim of the system, to have more zeros than someone else. Selling their souls to the devil, to increase the amount of zeros under their name, in a database. If it wasn't so desparately wrong, I'd laugh, but I'm more inclined to cry.

 

I have a problem with people making these kinds of blanket moral judgements about capitalism. As if we had an alternative to going through capitalism, like capitalism is not a necessary societal stage that has given us immense benefits that we couldn't dream of under feudalism.