Capitalism is killing our morals, our future

Uh...just what ARE "market values" anyway?

I see here 78 pages of people shouting vitriol at each other who don't even know what they are talking about

My opinion agrees with the OP and Winston Churchill. "Capitalism, like Democracy, is, by far, the worst system of economy/government that has ever been originated. Except for all the others."

 

Get rid of class birth privileges and you won't get slaughtered in class warfare. If the children of the rich had no advantages from that unearned superiority, then their fathers would have to eliminate the class privileges of economic rank or their own children would be subjected to the same economic tyranny as the unprivileged do today. Not "underprivileged," which is an insulting Limousine Liberal term to imply that Whites not born rich are overprivileged because of their race.

Marx was born rich just like your heroes. Look up the aristocratic lineage of his wife, even more of a spoiled snob than he was. So the phony Socialism that you hope we believe is the only alternative to Capitalism has been purposely created by your class solely to make you look good by comparison. By eliminating all birth privileges except for natural talent and re-distributing inheritance to the natural heirs instead of to the birth heirs, civilization will get a real alternative instead of all the self-serving ideologies concocted by aristocratic guillotine-fodder and presented as independent ideas. Intellectual capital is the only capital that creates jobs, but it is stolen by fiat capital through corporate patents. Investment is static, work is dynamic. If you refuse to admit what really makes the world go forward, civilization will experience its next Dark Ages. Only the unprivileged can save us, the talented and their allies, but both are worthless as long as their minds are controlled from above.

 

Great Analogy ... 2 Points for getting it right!
You know scuba diving is a damn good business to be in around Belize ... Great places to dive like Ambergris Caye, and the Blue Hole at Lighthouse Reef.

You can advocate whatever you want ... and that includes violent overthrow.
You won't be any more successful at that than you are with all of the other things you have failed to accomplish in your life.
If I had to bet on which one of us has a better future in store ... well never mind, I already made that bet and probably won.

Capitalism Is Great ... And Helps Give You A Better Attitude Towards Life In General!
When you figure out how to be successful and achieve your goals, while respecting the others around you who are willing to work to better themselves ... It all becomes a win-win situation.
Fussing about what other people have will never get what you want ... Complaining about how things are done never fixes the problem.

But honestly, listening to people with ideas like yours, really helps me understand how the inequality occurs ... And I am more amused than worried about anything.

 

Is it any wonder the US only became a superpower, after FDRs social programs and the outright communism our wartime economy during WWII.

 

Every major organization in History including Christianity teaches to share your wealth to workers because greed has been tested in history and didn't end up well ever. I find the people who lobby today that say, "the rich just need more money in order to" whatever funny since Corporate America is getting record profits while the hard working Americans are getting the lowest pay since (the 50's I think).

When the Rich UNIONIZE to raise unfair prices, the poor pay. It's the reason the Rich HATE Legal Unions.

 

And it looks like round 2 is getting under way; http://video.msnbc.msn.com/all-in-/51996165#51996165

 

You don't think money buys power then. Would THAT be correct?

 

You say that you are looking for the America we lost, man are you on the wrong track...

I have no heros, except the founders who I merely admire and a few since them.

Have you read Adam Smith? No. You have not. All you spewed is Marxist Rhetoric and you have no idea whatsoever about what is in the news and you have not followed the thread of economic destruction and you have not noticed the IMF redrawing the global corporate landscape to their advantage.

 

Well, of course money buys power. But its the tax payers money being used by obama that is not only buying power, but is buying corrupt power, i.e. pick any one of the latest obama scandals for proof to that--especially the one down at the IRS where he has his lackeys doing all the corrupting.

 

All of them have been originated by Heirheads. As usual, you beg the question by assuming that what has been originated was spontaneous and covers practically all alternatives. Instead, all these fantasies imposed on the rest of us without our consent were planned by birth elitists for their own benefit. Anything new, such as Libretardianism, will also be spun by this malignant elite using their unearned inheritance to crush the majority.

 

"Heirheads" I like that.

Fact is America has no moral values nor should we. We are, after all, a FREE country. Everyone is free to choose their own morals, as long as their actions stay within the law. And the law is to keep order and maintain our comfort and livability. Morals are not a valid reason to have them.

 

You're being partially tricked when you concede that it is "their" wealth. Owners aren't earners. They only claim it is their wealth and they buy the laws to "prove" that claim. Few of us in the robbed generation believe that the rich earn their money; we don't protest because it wouldn't do any good to try that. Have-nots won't let themselves say that they've been had by the haves, so they cover their embarrassment at being tricked out of what's theirs by tolerating the lie that the rich deserve to be rich. Notice how the Greedhead thieves gloat about having money instead of telling us about their achievements that would have made them deserve it. Proof about their undeserved wealth is that if they believe in re-distributing it to their mooching children, then they must have got their own loot through luck, cheating, and pressuring people who want to buy their love.

 

We have the best laws money can buy. And why not? The rich bought the laws with their own money; it would be stealing to take the law back into our own hands. If they'd paid ME! enough, I'd fulfill my obligation by saying that their selfish government is a lot more comfortable and safe for our Lords and Masters than our own self-government.

 

If not capitalism what? Socialism? Communism? Where has either of the latter two worked? Have not recent events in this nation shown that large government is corrupt and not to be trusted? All one needs to do is look to history to see that men are susceptible to corruption when given too much power.
Look at the salaries that our our so-called nation's leaders have voted themselves. If they were paid according to the results they get they would owe us money.
People are willing to work for themselves and their loved ones, but not for strangers. Self interest is the engine that makers capitalism work. It is what built America to be the richest nation in the World. But it has also created a class of people who are envious of the wealthy and successful and want to take what is not theirs. Democrats use that envy to get votes. They pit class against class and race against race. They attack, they slander, they lie.

 

Of course I do, what do you think I mean by "influence peddling?"
Yes, money buys power. But who "mines" the power? The Fed "mines" the power from the People, and "refines" it to sell to corporations!

Let me put it this way... If I make $$$$ profit from my business, and decide I want to spend that $$$$ on 'power', where will I go? I can't go to Petsmart - they have pet food. Can't go to the gas station, either - they have gasoline and groceries. How about the Governor? I could get away with anything if I gave money to the Governor - he has quite a bit of influence in this state. In fact, you could even say he has POWER - so I think I'll give my money to him.

THE WAREHOUSE OF REFINED POWER IS THE THRONE OF CORRUPTION.

 

I'm sorry, but the 'rich' do earn their money, generally speaking. Just because they make more doesn't mean they are evil - there is no natural or spiritual law that dictates everyone ought to be equally destitute. To claim thus is the nadir of Marxist absurdity.

 

Welcome to the forum, I see you live in 'Realville'--same place where I and many more common sense forum members reside. Your little post here is all that is needed to define the differences between socialism and capitalism, but you'll see the lefties here somehow find a way to bash capitalism while praising the destructive forces of socialism/marxism/communism and progressivism. These libs don't even bat an eye when displaying their ignorance and their total support for these failed ideologies. Whatever, enjoy your time here reading their nonsense.

 

yeah, yeah, yeah - we get it. you don't like that the children of the wealthy might gain some advantage from their parents' wealth. so what is your brilliant idea? should we eliminate inheritance? it's easy enough to get around that, just gift the majority of your wealth before you die. perhaps you'd like to see a cap on the amount of wealth any one individual can accumulate, another old chestnut that only serves to eliminates incentive and reduce overall productivity. maybe you'd like to see the elimination of all private property, a sure fire way to create massive civil unrest and a society based on "might makes right".

you seem to think that all of these schemes are unnatural and foisted off on us by some elite. well i suppose you could be right.... if you don't mind the idea of living life in a state of perpetual poverty. property rights are the mechanism by which wealth is generated, the wealth that has enabled even fools to live a relatively comfortable life. what we earn, we own. what we own, we may do with as we please. this includes giving it to whoever we wish. it seems you would rather the accumulation of wealth be passed off to who? to the state? we've all seen how well they are at managing money. nearly every government on earth is nearly bankrupt. to the people themselves? well just who decides who gets what? are you naively thinking that the greedy, irrational mob is going to suddenly become enlightened and willing to share equally among themselves? perhaps you'd just like to see us all living in the dirt, with nothing and nowhere to call our own.

 

Wrong.
The Idiot Union, as I affectionately call them, walked off and closed the place because they were angry at being asked to take a cut. They didn't give a damn about mismanagement the prior 15 years. They didn't care about how they were part of the problem. As long as they were able to steal, do slip-shod work, slack off and have others do their work, pad their OT, drink on the clock, come to work high........ everything was fine as long as they got their pay. The debtors were already in the hole $1,000,000,000. They were willing to put in another $600,000,000 upon ratification. That is a matter of record. So I do not know who you are ignorantly referring to as 'greedy thieves' outside of the workers and those in management years prior. Defending the morons for walking is no different than defending children who throw a tantrum. Except this time it cost 18,500 people their jobs and affected their families as well as other companies that did business with us.
And you still have yet to offer an adult justification for cutting off your nose to spite your face.

 

Time to move one, thread has reached its limits

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