Capitalism is killing our morals, our future

I really am astonished at the distaste here for Western Civilization, which Capitalism is an integral part of. I've been on here and argued specific points but now, for the first time, I'll directly address the OP.

Capitalism created our present. And no matter how bad you say it is, life for humanity has NEVER been better than it is now. Capitalism has worked better for advancing society than anything else anyone has come up with. It is logical to assume therefore that it will continue to work for us in the future, to bring us into the future. Everyone who raves on about getting rid of capitalism ignores the enormous benefits of it, and ignores the big picture of how much better off we truly are compared to the past. And I certainly don't think we have the government to thank for any of this - last time I checked, most advancements in technology and science were done by individuals.

Go live in Cuba if you hate the West so much. We'll sit here in comfort.

 

I will point out only your historical fails :

Holy Roman Empire was a loose union of independent states ( always at war against each other) electing an emperor with very limited authority.
The Byzantines had to fight civil wars every other day while they were placed between expanding islam and imperialist republics like Venice and Genoa .
Both empires were feudal.

the rest is even worst....

 

What we need is open elections paid for by the government. That would take the "establishment" republicans and democrates out of the way. It would also take corporations out of the equation who support both parties with bought and paid for politicians who do their bidding while telling the prople who actually vote for them they are acting in their interest while in actuallity they are not, but their corporate bosses.

Welcome to Political Forum. Great signature line!

 

I don't think I'll take historical correction from someone with a Steinbeck quote, thank you very much.
Why, exactly, do you think civil wars occur? Because people are dissatisfied.
It is accepted as fact in the community of historians that the Roman Empire experienced a severe economic downturn that eventually crushed. The central planner Septimius Severus decided that the government employees (soldiers, etc) were more valuable than the citizens, and essentially robbed his populace (as did his successors).
That is what comes of central planning.
So, before bandying the term "fail" about like troll on COD 3, make sure you don't "fail" to give a cursory glance at historical fact.

In other words, quit talking out of your ***.

 

Much thanks for the welcoming and complement.
I can honestly say I had never considered that solution before, since I am generally loathe to pay for more things with taxes. But I think you're right about this expenditure. The only way to clean up the Fed is to clear out the lifers and the lobbyists, and it would save trillions in the long run.
And dare I say we ought to return to observing the Constitution?

 

Septimus Severus in Holy Roman Empire ?

Your political ideas are as wild as a 900 years historical jump

EPIC FREAKING FAIL

BTW i find the

much more amusing , you obviously don't know of what you are talking about

 

Tru Dat!!!

 

I decimate your argument with facts and logic and you respond with... what, exactly?
I jumped to the Roman empire (aka Byzantine empire) because you are obviously making things up about the Holy Roman empire.

And that bit about communofascism is merely an indicator of how I feel about the two - communism and fascism may have slightly different roots, but they end up being the exactsame thing, and are easily abused by the same types of politicians.

I meant Septimius, by the way... of the Roman empire. I have no clue who Septimus is... maybe a relation of Optimus and the Primes?

 

Making things up with a wikipedia link?
And no in the case of the HRE it was personal ambition and religious issues who drove Brandenburg/Prussia in a war against Habsburgs/Austria
You can not say which empire is which so stop using history to make examples.
For the Byzantines apart from wars what really crippled them was how indifferent was the capital (city) for the rest of the country and how the rich betrayed their king in Madzikert in order to add more people in the tax roll.
The Romans fell because after accepting Goths in their lands and their army kept on treating them like dirt ( you know Goths crossed the Dunab so they were their "wetbacks") , Goths revolted and sucked Rome.

Again you show that you know nothing about either communism or fascism or history.

I usually avoid to be so rude to users but man you can not make up history to fit into your false perception of politics.

 

First, I can say which empire is which - just did, in fact - and the sacking of Rome by the Visigoths (not all of the Gothic Germanic tribes were involved in the sacking of Rome, at least to my knowledge) was only possible BECAUSE OF ECONOMIC WEAKNESS, and military and political instability brought about by the same.
Now, please cite some specific examples where fascism ended up in a different system entirely than communism. Otherwise, cease your baseless claims and resume "usually avoid to be so rude to users".
And don't even get me started on the current plight of Greece.

 

So would you prefer we rely on love to ensure that the shelves of the grocery remain full of the items we most desire? I think not; it's through our self interested actions (you call greed) that we preform acts that are to the benefit of society as a whole. The entire notion of greed is foolish to me, are not each of us interested in having more than we currently have? Are you the only person on the planet that'd prefer to have less than more? I suppose the question is rhetorical since I'm unlikely to believe one potential answer.

I frankly find this type of chicken little-ism obnoxious. Since the dawn of humanity there have been nay sayers and dooms day predictors proselytizing the end of civilizations as a result of one sin or another, this is no different.

I find the article entirely uninteresting as it builds a strawman (a mischaracterization of capitalism) and then spends the rest of the article attacking it and then offers no better alternative to the private ownership of capital, perhaps his next article will attack democracy as it's also wrought with flaws.

 

The left thinks that wealth is a given number out there that can be just carved up equally like an Apple Pie.. They are refusing to see economics as science because science refutes how they feel about the world.

They think that few bureaucrats from an office can make millions of calculations at ones for everybody participating in an economy. They are refusing to see that it is an impossible task that each economic transaction is very special to its time and place and peoples needs and wants is a marginal utility what cannot be calculated numerically because it's changes constantly with time and every human is unique. They refusing to accept that wealth is rigid and can be limitless for everyone under freedom and if we have more rich people it means even the poor will be better off having the rich investing in they neighborhoods.

The Left doesn't care how much people would suffer under their system as long as everyone is equally broke.

Socialists, Neo-Liberals are the most ruthless, jealous individuals who's agenda is not humanitarian at all but is about designing the world and controlling every human according their own sociopathic imagination. They are selfish and disturbing people who hides behind the falls promis of alturism. Their projects always end up in human suffering, poverty, starvation, millions killed in democide.

The sad part is the they never stop, the experimentation will keep going on with their sick social designs regardless of they dark history.

 

Quite so, and someone ought to let them know that the jolly fat man in a red suit - known as Utopia - does not exist. The closest thing to it is a purely free society (and if someone here says freedom has nothing to do with economics, I will go so postal that his/her great great great great grandmother s**** herself).

 

Goths is a general term for people living from the Crimea to Iberia and i am not a cheater so i didn't look in the net to find the name of the exact tribe.
You have proven that you can not tell Roman empire from Holy Roman empire , your post is just above and you can not remove it

Why you are highlighting only one of the three elements YOU are presenting ? remember Rome didn't had the economy to outmatch Gauls and Greeks but only a very strong army , even long after the establishment of the empire the eastern part ( Balkans, Asia Minor, Middle East & Egypt) was way richer than the western (Italy, Iberia and France) . Why Gauls have fallen? they were tribal , why Greeks have fallen? constant wars among each other, why Egypt has fallen? their army was outdated and their political leadership the worst possible. So no economy was not a major factor.

Seriously you want me to cite examples? i have already posted them over 200 times from the privatisations of Hitler and Mussolini , corporetocracy , crushing of the unions to the night of the long knifes , those are common knowledge to anyone borderline educated on political science.
Fascism is not even remotely connected to communism even if you take the hijacked by lunatic Bolsheviks Soviet revolution into account

*You obviously have no clue about Greece , i know it is not your fault since the media are full of (*)(*)(*)(*) so don't go there you will be embarrassed once more.

 

Very lively debate which is a continuation of what has been happening in the U.S. ever since our present progressive tax system was started. Over the last 100 years since the introduction of the income tax system, the U.S. tax code has become an abomination. It has produced endless differences in congress, finger pointing by politicans and citizens for others not paying "their fair share" and yes corporations that are able to game the system by having rooms full of accountants and lawyers with the sole purpose of figuring out how not to pay taxes. And now as we see, the Federal Government itself using its taxing authority (IRS) to benefit the party in power.

My hope is that the people of the United States have had enough and that the next Presidential election cycle will produce a conservative candidate that will once and for all have the wind as his back for pushing the idea of a flat tax system that would allow us to abolish the IRS.

The time has come. My personal preference would be a transaction tax on all money that changes hands to buy any product or service excluding most food items. In the United States there is in excess of 100 Trillion Dollars of such transactions each year. Just a 1% transaction tax would generate enough revenue to meet obligations each year with the tremendous benefits of eliminationg all taxes on income for both businesses and individuals. Every PERSON pays 1% with no exceptions, no finger pointing, no class warfare, just a level playing field for all Americans.

 

First, my post does not say that "Septimius was from the Holy Roman Empire"; that is a strawman you have built rather successfully. I will be charitable and assume this construction is accidental.
To say that the economy is not a major factor in war is absurd. Even mainstream liberals realize a strong economy is paramount to a strong military. It's why the United States would have ended up beating Japan - they had no economy to speak a while after they attacked Pearl Harbor (although, admittedly, that economic downturn was directly resultant of the US embargo of Japan).
And privatization is meaningless when supreme control not only still rests with the government, but the means by which these industries were privatized was corrupt. Think "crony capitalism", which isn't really capitalism at all.
Please enlighten me. What is the real problem with the economy of Greece, if not that the government finally realized it can't pay for a majority of its unemployed population?

Oh yeah, and Goths referred to all of them. The Visigoths were the ones who invaded Rome; it is inaccurate and absurd to say that the Austrogoths had any notable part to play in the sacking of Rome.

 

I didn't built any strawman you didn't get your stuff straight and even if we leave all your epic fails out you still refereed to feudal kingdoms as central planned economies ....
The economy is never that important , how you think Athens lost to Sparta or the Caliphate to the Mongols ?

Fascism is not about supreme control by the state , the only interference the state has is to keep stuff "for a national cause" , this means eliminated outside influences like investments while the government finance the big corporations to become even bigger at the expense of the working class ( see South Korea ) .

Greek government got neoliberal giving up state monopolies , selling lucrative public enterprises while stealing the money from private funds ( because pensions and benefits were not paid by the government and in most cases not even unemployment checks) . Cheap credit , stock market scandals and the eurozone .
To make it short , if you are a small country and you open yourself to "the markets" you are pretty much (*)(*)(*)(*)ed because you will never be able to defend against multinational interests, specially when you can not print .

 

You mean like Hong Kong, Singapore, Taiwan, Switzerland, Estonia, Chile....?

 

You still have not correctly identified these mysterious "epic fails" to which you constantly refer. Since you don't want to do so, fine.

The "national cause" phrase is absurd. In practice, any cause can be "national cause" if a powerful central government says so - and nobody would be able to tell the criteria by which it was determined. (Just like under the Patriot Act an individual may be spied on without probable cause if the Fed "says so.") Even if the criteria were determined, and found corrupt, no non-ruling political faction would be powerful enough to do anything about it. Definitionally, that is "tyranny."

I'm happy to reach an agreement on mutual exploitation of the "working class" - or rather, anyone from small business owners to day laborers - by big business and government. That's why I believe in free markets/capitalism - it removes non-producing, corrupt government bureaucrats from the equation.

 

Good point. Hell, even Japan - look how small that country is, and they're the... third? largest economy in the world. (No, the EU does not count as a single economy).

 

Let me guess MUTMEKEP will go ahead an ignore this post and switch a subject... if he doesn't have a twisted evil rich man conspiracy reason to prove it otherwise...

 

Probably. There are only three useful arguments in his repertoire: "Shut Up", strawman, and "Dogs say Meow."

 

Well, either that or they fly to Washington on their personal jets and demand bailouts. No corporate responsibility! More tax cuts and less regulations for super fat fat corporate casino gamblers is the answer!

 

I've never been outsourced, downsized or eliminated by a poor person either! Have you? Then again, I've never been able to demand a bailout when I was irresponsible with other people's money.
Yeah, these fat cats screwing the taxpayers out of everything with their wrecklessness is a big problem, you're right. Billionaires who file bankruptcy and dump their debt on everybody else while being a billionaire (Donald Trump) IS problematic. I agree.

 

Was that like when they trusted you with their dope money to buy the weekend stash, and you went and bought some hookers instead?