CBS is reporting 22 Americans are dead-others taken hostage

it's a small area with lots of combatants.

 

That is the job of intelligence. It may take a while to figure that out. Probably best to not start your bombing campaign until you know where the hostages are being kept.

 

Not that small. There is supposed to be 300 miles of tunnels.

Add to that the lax moral values of the progressive world. If one hostage or civilian is killed in an Israeli rail raid, it will splashed all over the world, and Israel will condemned.

Hamas can kill all the men, women and children they want. The can burn and behead babies and post the pictures on the Internet. “Righteous Progressives” will ignore it and will recall only the Israeli actions. Bad progressives will applaud it as a righteous response by the “freedom fighters” after years of “Jewish oppression.”

 

And Hamas can move them all around within that 300 miles. This not like the situation when the hostages are at an airport terminal, which happened more than two decades ago (Antebby sp). At the time, the Israeli rescue was widely hailed as “a miracle.”

Sadly, I believe that most, if not all of the hostages, will be killed.

 

Probably by Israeli bombs, along with a **** ton of civilians beyon the thousands that have already been killed.
How anyone can think that is an acceptable solution is beyond me. You don’t fight evil by becoming more evil. That never solves anything, and just ensures there will be another round of evil in the near future.

 

Israel is free to do what they need to do for their future security. Their hands cannot be tied by international defined limits to their necessary military activities. War isn't a socially refined function, it's butt ugly.

 

So you let Hamas kill and kidnap all the people they want with no repercussions. I guess Hamas wipe out the Jewish race and religion. That would solve the problem if you are an advocate of “the final solution.”

That attitude is not much different from the one FDR had for much of World War II.

 

Wow, you pretty much just reversed what you want to happen to the Palestinians, as you advocate for a “final solution” for getting rid of Palestinians. A little projection there I think.

What I want is a political solution, equitable to both sides, not favoring either side more than the other. That has never happened, with Palestinians always getting the short end of the stick. It is not impossible, though years of BS has made it very difficult. It is going to take sane, strong leadership that seems to not be currently present on either side, as everyone is blinded with bloodlust.

 

There is no such solution, the divide is too wide and everybody is right.

 

Don’t put words in my mouth.

If the Palestinians had agreed to let Israel exist, they could have had a country decades ago. Instead they act the Nazis. The other Arab countries could have helped too, but they haven’t.

Think of what the Nazis did, and you will have the Hamas, Iran and Hezbollah mindset.

 

There is always a solution. It just takes sane minds to step back for a moment and ask themselves “what the hell are we doing here? How is this going to secure a lasting peace short of complete genocide?”

And even a genocide will lead to further, more widespread war.

It is never, ever too late for peace. It is just that peace is rarely the solution Elite puppetmasters can benefit from, whether they are Israeli politicians, Iranian politicians, or the Military Industrial Complex.

 

Lol, you were the one putting words in my mouth.

And if you think the issue boils down to Palestinians hate Jews just because”, then you have a lot of homework to do, my friend.

 

No YOU are the one who needs to do the homework. Did you know that Iran paints “Death to Israel” on their rockets?

I guess you supported the murder of innocent women and children because all you want to do is tell Hamas, “You shouldn’t have done that,” and move on.

 

There you go again, putting words in my mouth. I am well aware of what Iran does. I’ve been on the explosive receiving end of many rockets that were manufactured in Iran. I remember as an infantryman, after the all clear was sounded, we would go out and pull security while EOD did their blast crater analysis, and showed us pieces with Arabic writing that showed the rockets launched were made in Iran.

And once again, I fully condemn Hamas, and think they all need to be held accountable. But when the number of civilians killed far exceeds the number of the enemy that is killed, you are shooting yourself in the foot. You are only building more resentment that will create more extremists that will then kill more civilians, all while making the efforts of Iran seem more legitimate to the Muslim world, because they are seeing the murder of Muslim women and children, and see Israel as terrorists.

Can you really not see that the current strategy has zero chance of lasting peace?

 

How are you going to hold Hamas accountable?

 

The same way Israel held the Nazis accountable after WW2, a process that may take many many years, but where no civilians need to die. But before that can happen, peace must established and maintained.

 

The big difference was Nazi Germany had been defeated and its leaders were declared to be war criminals. The Iranian funded, anti-Semitic movement is alive and well, and neither the U.N. nor any other world body is going to give them war criminal status. In fact, the UN. is in the tank with the Palestinians. I’m old enough to remember when Fidel Castro and the so-called “nonaligned nations” engineered the U.N. “Zionism is racism” vote. The U.N. attitudes have not changed.

 

Hamas will be defeated. It’s is impossible for it not to be. It’s like someone using a slingshot against a tank. The question is how it is done. Right now the way it is being done is like hitting a nail with a nuclear bomb, going far beyond what is necessary. They dropped more bombs in a week than we dropped in Afghanistan over an entire year at the height of that war. Safe areas are getting hit. Hostages taken by Hamas are being killed.
This war can be fought in a far more humane way without the slaughter of innocents, and once control is regained of Gaza, the long slow hunt for Hamas can begin.

It is a much slower, less dramatic solution, but one that will kill far less civilians, and make repairing relations afterwards much more feasible.

 

That's dreaming. I'm an old man and they have been working on that peace thing all my life.

 

Without pushing towards a dream, we are stuck to live in the same BS in perpetuity. It will fall to younger generations not jaded enough to give up on their dreams to secure the peace that the older generations have abandoned. It is the duty of the old to leave the world a better place for their children, but it seems many have given up on that duty and are willing to manipulate the young into slaughtering each other for BS reasons.

 

I think there may be a disconnect in defining a better place.

 

One where armies and militants are not slaughtering civilians, and instead different cultures are living together in peace is a good start.

 

(harp music)

 

I'll take harp music over the screams of dying women and children killed by Hamas and the IDF, thanks.

 

Serving up a bunch of freedom pills to the enemy ! Muhricah !!!