'Children burned alive, tragic goodbyes and genocide' Assad's forces set to retake Al

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  1. notme

    notme Well-Known Member

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    Neah.
    I sit back and comment on the war crimes committed. I mean, bombing towns of a bunch of poor peasants with napalm in Vietnam. Really? No wonder them lot were rightfully called baby killers. It also had nothing to do with protecting American citizens. It's just worse what Assad is doing with his barrel bombing in Syria.
     
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    ^^
    that is exactly what I said it is. Those buses were not meant for Aleppo but to evacuate others near Idlib. It was part of a deal for Aleppo.
     
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    When the Muslims love their children more than they hate . . .
     
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    The civil war was started by US and Israeli agents and has been kept going by US and other foreign governments funding and supplying the the rebels. Their objective to is overthrow Assad if it costs every Syrian li
     
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    Greataxe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sorry, but Muslims were the last nations to give up slavery, and slavery still exists in many Islamic areas.

    Western Colonialism made the world a better place. Look at all the places in the world that were living in the Stone Age and controlled by ignorant, brutal savages before being enlightened.
     
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    Oh pff. All them countries were colonies of Christian/Judean western nations, who left it behind just like that.

    Totally false.
    The colonial powers didn't do a thing for the people they violently oppressed to drain the land of their resources. Look at freaking Africa. It's still poor as dirt, and rather backward. Lets take Ghana as example. After centuries of European presence for dragging all them slaves out there, they werel finally able to build 1 university in 1948, and a next in 1951. The other 80+ were all build after their independence. You call that "bringing enlightenment"? How absurd. The US didn't start a war with the UK for their independence for the heck of it.
     
  7. Greataxe

    Greataxe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You need an education:

    Last Nations with slavery:

    1952: Qatar abolishes slavery.[citation needed]
    1958: Bhutan abolishes slavery.[citation needed]
    1960: Niger abolishes slavery (although it was not made illegal until 2003).[97]
    1962: Saudi Arabia abolishes slavery.[citation needed]
    1962: Yemen abolishes slavery.[citation needed]
    1964: The United Arab Emirates abolishes slavery.[citation needed]
    1970: Oman abolishes slavery.[citation needed]
    1981: Mauritania abolishes slavery.[98][99][100]
    2003: Niger makes slavery a crime.[97]
    2007: Mauritania makes slavery a crime.[101]
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolition_of_slavery_timeline

    Of all the above, only Niger was colonized by Westerners who allowed slavery for a time.

    Mauritania was loosely controlled by the French after 1920, and they were the ones who 1st tried to abolish slavery there. Slavery returned after they left, and in all these nations listed, slavery is still commonly practiced.

    Ghana and all the other nations in Sub Saharan Africa have now had over 50 years of their own rule to get their acts together. How much longer will slavery be used as a blanket excuse for their failures? I think another 10,000 years.

    If Western Colonization was soooo bad, then why did so many other former colonies become so successful, why didn't they also remain crapholes after being tainted by Western Christians?

    America
    Australia
    New Zealand
    Canada
    Singapore
    Hong Kong
    and on and on???
     
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    Mauritania was a French collony. Most still speak and understand that language in that backward nation. That's how "loosely" the control was. United Arab Emirates was a Brittish collony. They became independent in the 1970's. Saudi Arabia and Yemen were part of the Ottoman empire that got cut up by the colonial powers after the Ottomans lost in WWI and so had control over it.


    And it's amazing how you totally ignored what that the British didn't bring any enlightment to Ghana. Just 2 out of the currently +80 universities is what they got to show. Shall we discuss how much enlightment they left behind in South Africa for the indigenous population?
     
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    Why are you making excuses for Colonists that have been gone for over 50 years---just in African and Arab nations??

    There is no excuse for a nation rich in resources like Ghana not to have done better than two tiny backwaters like Singapore and Hong Kong in the same amount of time---if you use "colonization."

    The real reason for Ghana and other such nations like New Guinea, Haiti and others to stay in a perpetual backward state is that the average IQ of a population must be at least 100 to attain and maintain a modern culture and society.

    Such nations likely have an average IQ of around 70. Nations with vast majority of people being Borderline Deficiency (IQ 70-80), or Morons (IQ 50-69), can't do much beyond living like savages on their own.
     
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    Simple:
    You claimed western colonial powers spread democracy raising the standard of living. I replied that western colonial powers raped democracies to install fascists dictatorships if that ment they were getting better economical deals. You claimed that Muslims were the last to abolish slavery. I replied that is how western colonial powers left it behind.

    Get freaking real. Western Colonial powers went around to brutally oppress the world and leech other peoples resources. Heck, the UK had a couple of wars to make other nations bow down to them, so the UK could flood their markets with their opium! They had absolutely no intent to enlighten the world.

    Ghana is absolutely not rich in resources.

    When colonial powers don't build school -because why build schools when you can slave around them people doing manual labor- than the population remains uneducated. Or is your rant that black people are just dumb because of their skin color, and Arians and Jews are the master race?
     
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    The colonials left Ghana in 1957. Lots and lots of time for the free people there to build simple schools and even a basic industrial society.

    ---but it didn't happen. Ghana is near the bottom category of UN Human Development.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index

    This is what Ghana said about itself (but it hasn't updated in 20 years):

    A Country of Natural Wealth
    Ghana is endowed with abundant natural wealth, including vast agricultural, mining and human resources. Along with its growing manufacturing sector, agriculture remains a key sector of the economy. The agrarian sector employs 60 percent of the Ghanaian workforce and makes up almost 44 percent of the country's GDP. Cocoa is the second-largest export, and new exports such as wood products, textiles, jewelry, pineapples, tuna fish and cotton are rapidly diversifying Ghana's agricultural export profile. The country has over 13.6 million hectares of arable land suitable for crops or livestock, and a potential annual production of 655,000 metric tons of fisheries products.

    In addition to agricultural wealth, Ghana is also rich in mineral resources. Gold recently replaced cocoa as the country's primary export, with diamonds, aluminum and bauxite accounting for a large part of the country's exports. The mining industry was liberalized in 1987, and strategic investors such as de Beers, Lonrho, and others from the United States, Canada, Australia, South Africa and Britain have already taken advantage of the new business opportunities.

    Gold output rose to some 1.6 million ounces in 1995, and the Ghana Minerals Commission estimates that the 1996 output will reach 1.84 million ounces. Diamond production rose by an estimated 60 percent in 1994, and a continued rise is expected.

    Ghana's industrious, well-educated workforce is one of the country's most valuable resources. There is a strong primary, secondary and higher education infrastructure, and literacy rates average 53 percent, one of the highest in the continent. Industrial growth, led by the mining, food processing and textile sectors, reached about 7 percent by the end of 1995.
    http://www.ghanaembassy.org/index.php?page=a-country-of-natural-wealth

    People's skin colors can't make them dumb. The skin cells and melanin would have migrate into the brain and have an effect.
     
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    You said the colonials brought them "enlightenment".
    I say they only build 2 out of the +80 universities.
    So that your claim is simply false.

    Because the colonial powers only were there to drain resources. You claimed that the west brught "modern standards of living across the globe---your dreaded Western Christians.". Look at Ghana. It's at the bottom! Obviously after centuries they were not given modern standards.

    Thank you for playing
     
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    How many universities did the primitive Neolithic people in Ghana have before the colonists came? Zero

    Someone had to educate them on what to do.

    With all their schools, they are still waaaay at the bottom. They should be doing half as well as those in Singapore.

    Average per capital income Ghana: $1,340.
    http://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/business/IMF-Ghana-s-per-capita-income-now-1-340-445898

    Singapore's is: $53,000, and they didn't get out from under the British boot until 1965. The people in Ghana just blew it.

    Go figure.
     
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    They were under the control of Christian western colonial powers for centuaries. And their end result of brining your so called enlightenment is that they build 2 universities. Since they left they build more than 80 universities in a couple of decades.


    It is painfully obvious the most enlightenment they made in the area of education is 95% their own imput. And they made that when they were finally free from being subjected to that white Christian/Jedean merciless oppression. Your claim the West brought enlightenment is just false.

    I argumented that. And you're not denying it, but trolling onwards about other crap.
     
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    Ibn Saud had chased the Turks off the Arabian Peninsula before WW1.

    Yemen was a British colony, and earlier had been part of British India.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colony_of_Aden*
     
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    Like I have said for a while now, obama's policies result in dead bodies.
     
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    As you said, both sides are not ideal, and your solution is to enter another proxy war with Russia in order to overthrow another sovereign state leaving a power vacuum when tossed into chaos, essentially handing another theater for ISIS to operate with impunity?

    Yeah... no (*)(*)(*)(*)ing thanks. Rethink that.
     
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    So what great things have come from Ghana now that they have been so well educated and free from oppressive Westerners?

    What important, or even not important, inventions and discoveries have come from the people of Ghana?

    Why can't the leaders of Ghana create a basic economy that provides more than only bare subsistence?
     
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    If we let the Assad side be victorious, Assad will not step down. Nor will Russia pressure Assad into stepping down(except in a quid pro perhaps by the Americans. I'm not sure what we could offer to Russia, that would make them have Assad step down. Maybe a trade: We'll restructure NATO favorably to not appear even the slightest bit aggressive towards Russia in exchange for Assad stepping down.)

    Or a US-Russian coalition on how to structure the new government. Because this killing cannot go on.
     
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    It started in response to the Arab Spring, with which those radicals gladly crossed country borders from Libya into Syria. Or does one not know how ISIS came into being, while the failed 44th President of the United States claimed them to be a JV Team. Obama was a prettier George W.Bush.

    I would not have armed them, as enemy combatants of the US, I would not have armed them. Enemy combatants to the Union only receive our bullets one way: Through the damn head.
     
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    obama did not start isis, period
     
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    Like Putin, Assad is a boogeyman to our scaredy-cat lefties, but anybody who gets on great with Christians is okay in my book. Here he and his dishy wife pose for selfies in a Syrian Christian Church..:)

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    No, he just gave them the arms and the okay. Literally, we know this because he HIMSELF used Executive Action to allow the US Government to arm the Libyan rebels, and then the same thing for the Syrian Rebels. I mean there are soldiers in the US Army pissed at the development! In a mere three weeks, he fades from history as one of our worst commanders.
     
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    ISIS was born in Camp Bacca Prison, Iraq in 2004..

    Syria happened because of Assad's treatment of schoolboys caught writing graffiti.. He abused them in prison and fired on their families who protested.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Libya's military and police were all African mercenaries. They threw down their weapons and ran off. Gaddafi bought weapons in France, Germany and the UK in 2006-7.. He bought 2 billion dollars in weapons in Moscow in 2009-10.
     
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    It seems I heard this very same absurdity in 1999 at the
    onset of the Kosovo conflict.
    And then after the fire was extinguished came the 11th
    of September as a thank you for helping Muslims from
    being evicted from the European continent.
    That´s all the thanks America got for coming to the Muslims
    rescue and helping solve what essentially was a European
    dilemma.
    The EU is rash to remind America of its NATO obligations,
    but don´t seem capable,or are simply unwilling to lift a finger
    themselves when it comes down to preserving the continents
    own safety and security.
    So as usual,unless America acts and/or responds first in Syria
    don´t look for anything to get accomplished.
    At least if the Obama administration has any say in the matter.
     

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