'Children burned alive, tragic goodbyes and genocide' Assad's forces set to retake Al

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  1. One Mind

    One Mind Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It might have caused some problems when the farmers moved into the cities, as we are told happened, and the economic times and suffering. But Syria, Libya, Iraq were on the list of the neocons to take down. SO, there is the cause. I have no doubt about that.

    It takes money to fight this war against assad, and it is being provided. By us, by the Saudis and Qatar. Wars are expensive.
     
  2. Johnny Brady

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    Yes, I could hardly believe my ears when I heard Obama say in a TV interview some years ago- "Our aim in Afghanistan is not to defeat the Taliban, but to contain them"
    That violates the main principle of war- "It is fatal to enter a war without the will to win it"- Gen. Douglas MacArthur
    Same thing with Nam, Gen. William Westmoreland said afterwards- "Washington locked me into a defensive strategy, thereby preventing me bringing the war to a swift conclusion"

    The moral?- P*ssyfooting around in wars costs lives..

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  3. Ctrl

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    Hahaha... what?
    The Syrian civil war began out of the Arab spring, which they orchestrated.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/15/world/15aid.html

    They then illegally armed (arms embargo) and trained the Syrian opposition forces...
    http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-33997408

    Of course we were bombing the (*)(*)(*)(*) out of Assads forces instead of ISIS... and now we have those US backed forces holding 50k or so people in Allepo as human shields.

    Brilliant understanding of current events you have there.
     
  4. mdrobster

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    The global warming issue was in an article by national geographic, take it up with them. syria is responsible for itself, no one else.

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    If you are so concerned about people getting killed in the middle east, then it is your *******ned fault.

    Now it's my fault :)

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    Fortunately most people don't agree with your conspiracies and Pres Obama will go out fairly well liked.

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    From your own article. Syria is responsible for Syria!!!

    No one doubts that the Arab uprisings are home grown, rather than resulting from “foreign influence,” as alleged by some Middle Eastern leaders.
     
  5. Ctrl

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    You take that single opinion from an article titled US Groups Helped Nurture Arab Uprising, and suggest that the administration had nothing to do with it?

    You completely (*)(*)(*)(*)ing ignore that we illegally armed and trained those forces now using civilians as human shields and say we have nothing to do with it? That we have been actively bombing a soveriegn states forces because Obama thinks he has the right to overthrow seccular governments throughout the middle east on the same side as ISIS, and you are going to try to maintain they had nothing to do with it?

    Do you know why arms embargos are enacted when there are civil wars? Because funnelling in arms results in gross civilian casualties.

    Get the (*)(*)(*)(*) out of here with that bull(*)(*)(*)(*).
     
  6. AmericanNationalist

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    Ctrl gave you LINKS to what EVERYONE knows. Literally, you're the only one arguing it. Look, I read these things in real time so I don't feel the need to regurgitate it, but not even the administration denies it(also because they can't outright state it, they'd look even worse if they did.) The best they can do is call them "moderate", aw how sweet.
     
  7. mdrobster

    mdrobster Well-Known Member

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    US Presidents have been meddling in foreign affairs since this country's inception, Pres Obama and every single one before is guilty.
     
  8. HTownMarine

    HTownMarine Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yeah, but National Geographic didn't say it...

    Obama did.

    So is he lying or not?
     
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    HTownMarine Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is an ISIS mentality...

    That's why they're still around and we arent. Because they have the mentality that our public prevents us from having.

    That's what happens when you go to war half ass.

    If it was simply a matter of winning, it wouldn't take us long at all. We showed that much the first time we steamrolled both countries.

    Then... softness got involved. Thanks public opinion.
     
  10. Ctrl

    Ctrl Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So you recant your statement that Obama and Clinton have nothing to do with Syria, because it is patently false?
     
  11. mdrobster

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    they are not responsible for the syrian civil war, only syria is

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    where is the lie, that the drought contributed to the unrest.
     
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    Nobody is sure. Because of the 'rabbits caught in headlights' inaction of the west 5 years ago it has now become such an unholy imbroglio I doubt if even the jihadists know who's who.
     
  13. Ctrl

    Ctrl Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Awww... you were doing so well... you just went from
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    Bactracking reality for pride is a smelly prospect...

    So if I train and arm you to commit terrorist acts, would you suggest I had nothing to do with that? Would the law see it that way?
     
  14. mdrobster

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    they are not responsible for the civil war, period.
     
  15. Ctrl

    Ctrl Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I guess holding your hands over your ears and yelling lalalalala is easier than honesty to some...

    You do not seem to understand culpability, or what responsibility means.

    Which Syrians are responsible for the civil war? Assad? ISIS? Civilians? All of them? Babies? WHO shares the responsibility for this circumstance? You do realize that responsibility is shared among multiple people, correct? You just "blamed" Obama for meddling in the civil war... so there is blame, but no responsibility? What a twisted web...
     
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    all you do is make false narratives without evidence. if you to blame obama foe meddling, then all others before him are guilty too, but you can never admit that.
     
  17. Ctrl

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    I linked you to proof. It is you who cannot admit that the humanitarian disasters in Syria and Lybia are the direct result of Clinton and Obama, without any congressional approval... which is how our government was set up to work. I have no issues admitting Reagan's Iran/Contra meddling was wrong. No issues with calling out Bush senior for creating a civil war in Guatemala through CIA psyops. No... I hold my leaders accountable when they circumvent the law and people die. Don't compare my intellectual honesty to yours again, as you are bankrupt of it. There is blood on their hands, and any apologist who covers for them.
     
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    no they are not responsible, neither of them told assad who to attack. btw, by your logic, pres bush woul be a war criminal :)
     
  19. Margot2

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    You have not submitted any proof.. and neither is responsible for Libya or Syria. If you knew more about the subject, you wouldn't be so gullible in the face of very poor propaganda.
     
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    Ctrl Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You have no shame. It has been a long time coming. Blocked.
     
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    Ctrl Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes I have... And I chose (*)(*)(*)(*)ty leftist sources to dispell your (*)(*)(*)(*)ty attack the messenger deflection I knew would follow. Shocker its from you.
     
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    Steamrolled both countries conventional armies, but to much of a bunch of losers to win any asymmetric war since ever.

    It's not softness. The US government is unable to keep up the lies to the public for so long.
    WMD's in Iraq... yeah... zero credibility now.
     
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    Let me tell you the end strategy.
    Two sides from the West and the East come to a middle,
    and nothing in between means nothing,who is that will win
    and who is it that will lose if nuclear warheads are involved.
    Who is going to die as the flesh rots from a persons body?
    Think about it,it´s all humankind.
    For it´s not about the few,but as we say in English,for the
    sins of the few the many will suffer,or made to suffer.
    Now tell and teach that to your children.
    I don´t have time.
     
  25. The Wyrd of Gawd

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    Who appointed us lord and master of the universe? What gives us the right to go poking about in other countries' internal affairs? Just because a bunch of insane dummies in Washington think that they are God's gift to the world doesn't make it so. If they want to go running off and bleed and die for their silly purposes then let them do it but the average Jack & Jill will be stupid for following them. It's too bad they can't be rounded up and dropped by parachute into a war zone.
     

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