Coronavirus Vaccines Don't Seem To Stop Delta

While facts seem to show that the vaccinated mostly have either asymptomatic, low symptomatic, or moderate symptomatic cases, compared to far worse outcomes of the unvaccinated, I am beginning to see a trend that vaccines don't really stop Delta at all. Even the asymptomatic test positive for the virus and infect others. I haven't really seen much evidence lately that the vaccines actually stop you from getting Delta when exposed to it. If you are vaccinated and exposed to Delta, you get Delta. I think the virus is making us believe that the vaccines stop the Coronavirus when, in fact, it doesn't actually stop Delta at all, easily spreading it at a fast rate to the vaccinated and to the unvaccinated. I am beginning to see a whole lot of vaccinated people getting sick from Delta, and they are actually getting sick. Granted, they would probably be sicker if they hadn't gotten the vaccine but, nevertheless, the vaccines don't seem to stop Delta.

 

It doesn't STOP any of them. It is said to lessen the degree of sickness once contracted.

 

Duhhh, that's why they're recommending going back more frequently to the mask.

 

We were told that if like 80% of the people were vaccinated then that would be close enough to herd immunity that the virus couldn't get a grip on us anymore. The truth is that was a bunch of bullcrap as Delta infects everyone and spreads easily, even if 100% were vaccinated. The virus would still be swarming everywhere and mutating further. Why weren't we told the truth? Why weren't we told that even if 100% of us were vaccinated Delta would still spread easily and make millions sick, just not as sick if we didn't have the vaccine? The government and the medical experts lied to us.

 

We were told that if like 80% of the people were vaccinated then that would be close enough to herd immunity that the virus couldn't get a grip on us anymore. The truth is that was a bunch of bullcrap as Delta infects everyone and spreads easily, even if 100% were vaccinated. The virus would still be swarming everywhere and mutating further. Why weren't we told the truth? Why weren't we told that even if 100% of us were vaccinated Delta would still spread easily and make millions sick, just not as sick if we didn't have the vaccine? The government and the medical experts lied to us.

 

Virtually no one in the hospital or anyone who has died from Covid was vaccinated. The rare exceptions to this were mostly otherwise immune compromised. This means that if you are vaccinated, the Delta variant becomes nothing worse than the flu; albeit highly contagious.

For those who are not vaccinated, the severity of illness and the likelihood of dying are greater than with the other variants. And we are seeing far more children with severe illness from Delta. So it is critical to get kids vaccinated ASAP.

This appears to be more deadly and far more contagious. So the vaccine is a matter of life and death more so than before.

 

The vaccine works against the spike protein, which is the mechanism for infection of your cells. That is what makes you sick. That is not the same as preventing you from carrying the virus without getting infected. You can carry it but not be infected or therefore sick.

Early on we didn't know if the vaccine would prevent transmission of the virus. It was then found that the vaccine is highly effective at preventing spread; that the vaccinated carry very little viral load. So we got lucky. But the Delta variant is apparently evading that benefit to some degree. We don't yet know how much

 

Just saying, the government and the experts lied to us. They led us to believe that if enough people got vaccinated, Covid would basically go away. But, the truth is, if 100% of everyone was vaccinated Delta would be spreading everywhere, making millions sick. Yes, the stats do show that the severity of the disease is a lot less and so are the deaths if you are vaccinated. But, that doesn't mean we weren't lied to. And, the left have been attacking the unvaccinated, claiming it is their fault for the current spread when, in fact, it would be spreading even if 100% were vaccinated. And, businesses, establishments, etc are fooling themselves by only letting in vaccinated people, when it is proven that vaccinated people are spreading Delta.

 

Sorry, I didn't know you were smarter than the experts.

 

Reality check - yes, they lied to us. More importantly, what are we going to do with that information to make sound decisions in the future?

 

They did not LIE-- their statements were about the original strain of Covid-19, and the first couple of variants. They OBVIOUSLY could not speak to variants, like Delta, that did not yet exist.

In fact, that is why the experts and the government-- once Biden came to office-- stressed the importance of worldwide vaccination! They understood the possibility (and said so) that, as long as the virus was still spreading, it would be mutating, which had the potential to create a form, against which, our vaccinations would be ineffective.

I guess you were preoccupied, during all that time-- riding cross-country, to biker rallies?

 

No, it would not make millions sick. Can vaccinated people carry the virus? Yes, I think everyone knows that, but it very unlikely to make you sick, as is shown by the fact that practically all people who are hospitalized are unvaccinated.

 

The specialists only can go off of information they have at the time. They aren't fortune tellers or see the future.

Who knew the Delta virus was coming a year ago? Or eve 6 months ago?

Why are 1/3 of the new cases in 2 states with low vac rates. Fl and Tx?

 

Oy! I am going to post this on its own thread so it is easy to copy paste

 

No they didn't. The conditions have changed. When they said that it was true. We knew variants might emerge that are problematic. But whenever someone like Fauci tells us that he is accused of fear mongering. And we don't know what the properties of new variants will be until they emerge.

People are doing the best they can with the information we have. This is tricky and very dangerous stuff.

 

The Delta variant is also sweeping through states that are nowhere near 70% vaccination. The high vaccination rates in liberal areas make things look better than they are. The States being hit the hardest per capita, which are all red states, only have vaccination rates between 30%-40%.

 

LOL. You mean the experts who can't even agree with each other?

 

They are lying to us even today. They are still saying we should get vaccinated to stop Delta from spreading. Being vaccinated does not stop Delta from spreading. They are also lying in telling us that it is the unvaccinated's fault for the rise in cases when, in reality, if 100% were vaccinated, Delta cases would still be rising. So, it is not the fault of any of the unvaccinated. Rises in cases would be happening anyway.

 

Delta is making thousands and thousands and thousands of the vaccinated sick. Yes, they would be even sicker if they had not been vaccinated but the truth is Delta is making very large numbers sick who were vaccinated.

 

Because illegals are pouring over the border in Texas, spreading the virus and Florida is a hub for Central American travel.

 

But the government and the experts told us that we need to get vaccinated because if enough people got vaccinated we would reach herd immunity and the virus would be smothered. They also told us that it was the fault of the unvaccinated that cases were rising. Both are untrue as Delta infects and spreads readily, even in the vaccinated. In other words, the vaccination does not stop Delta, even if 100% were vaccinated. It would still be spreading and making millions sick, which also means that the Delta spread is NOT the fault of the unvaccinated. It would be happening even if 100% were vaccinated.

 

The vaccine is making it nearly irrelevant to those who took it, while the unvaccinated are seriously sick and filling hospitals and now they are putting surgeries and other non-covid related treatments on hold again.

What you rave against it anyway? If you dont want it, then dont take it. No one cares, - except maybe those who are denied surgery because you take up their bed in the hospital. But what do you care, right?

A hub? Sure, Miami airport is a hub. People fly there, and use the transit area to take another plane to Europe, Canada, Caribbean or other States in US. What is your point? Stop air travel? Tell that to DeSantis.

Sure, but since vaccinated people don't get sick (or have mild symptoms), they wont fill up hospitals, force businesses to close and hinder the nation as whole.

Maybe you are not meant to understand it, or you just like to parrot things over over for some reason. Why dont you want people to take the vaccine?

 

They are lying to us even as of today. They are encouraging everyone to be vaccinated to stop the spread of Delta when they now know that Delta spreads easily among the vaccinated and even makes many of them sick. They know that even if 100% were vaccinated, Delta would still be spreading. And, they are blaming the unvaccinated for the spread of Delta when they know darn well that if those 100% were all vaccinated Delta would still be spreading. All lies.

 

And it is still not a forcefield

YOUR incomplete understanding of the science does not mean everyone else is wrong

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We were unprepared at how fast this version replicates and how quickly the viral load builds up.
It makes sense that if you are exposed to half a dozen virus particles you are very unlikely to develop a life threatening illness but if you are exposed to millions upon millions of viruses in a confined area then your likelihood, vaccinated or not, of testing positive is much much higher. We had a incident here where contact tracing proved the exposure one person got was only seconds long but it was enough
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0243597

Now because the unvaccinated will build a higher viral load than the vaccinated then chance of spreading it is that much higher

 

The vaccine does not make Delta irrelevant. Many are getting very sick. Sure, it does mitigate the sickness to non hospital and non life threatening in most cases but people are still getting quite sick. I know a few vaccinated people who are very sick from Delta. It is not irrelevant.

I was in the first group of people to be vaccinated but after the left attacking Trump over Covid I would expect that Biden, the lefty media, and the left would then tell us the truth, which they are not.

I was asked why cases in Texas and Florida were high and I responded with the truth. Miami is a hub for travel from Central America and Texas is being inundated with Covid illegals pouring over the border.