Coronavirus Vaccines Don't Seem To Stop Delta

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  1. independentthinker

    independentthinker Well-Known Member

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    They are arresting more under Biden than under Trump because Democrats being in power has encouraged the masses to come here because they know Democrats are suckers for their plight. Even Harris said, "Don't come now" because she was really saying, "Come later, when we are better prepared to take care of you". And, arrest numbers mean nothing because these people are arrested and let loose in the US, supposedly to come back in two years for a court case. How many do you think actually show up?

    Here is a graph on California's case counts in 2020, one of the most masked up states in the country. It shows that after the mask mandate cases climbed, fell for a while (but still higher than at the time the mask mandate started on June 18th) and then exploded toward the end of the year, when the mask mandate was still fully in force. After the mask mandate, cases never returned to pre mask mandate levels, until vaccines became available. Since Delta is much more contagious than the 2020 Coronavirus, it is reasonable to conclude that this graph made during mask mandates in 2020 would be even much worse with the new Delta variant because Delta is much more transmissible. Bottom line: during mask mandates, cases rise.
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    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Based on facts, this is what people have said:

    Biden/Harris: Do not come. We have extended Title-42 (expedited expulsion order)

    Republicans: The border is open, illegals can cross freely and they are given health care and education

    Take off the partisan goggles and think which message would get them to try and cross the border. The answer is obvious. If you tell them the border is open, they will try to come. Not even the most hard-core Trump haters undermined him with lies like that when he was president.

    And no, I am not a Democrat or a Biden fan, I just happen to think people are totally ignorant of facts.

    No, they are not. They are tossed out under Title-42. I just gave you the link with CBP facts and you came right back to put your ignorance on display again.

    You can take a horse to the water, but you can't force him to drink.

    Its like talking to freaking wall.

    Have a nice day.
     
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    Social distancing works outdoors but it is pretty much a complete waste of time indoors, where the virus circulates. For example, let's take a restaurant. Let's say that none of the employees has the virus and they all wear masks. They have one customer and one customer only. That customer has the virus and that customer breaths the virus into the indoor air. They eat unmasked for 1/2 hour. They leave and you or I come in, again, being the only customer in the restaurant - IE extreme social distancing. Unfortunately, the virus from the previous customer is still in the air and the ventilation system spreads the virus throughout the whole inside and we breath it in, even when we are the only customer in the restaurant. Whammo, we've got Delta. Social distancing was totally useless. Doesn't have to be a restaurant. Can be anything indoors. Facts and studies have even shown that social distancing has almost no effect indoors. But, the left still hype it up and restaurants, etc still have 25% capacity, 50%, or whatever, giving you the illusion that social distancing is protecting you.

    The facts are that during mask mandates, cases go up so masks also give you a false sense of security. The left seem oblivious to the fact that there is more than one kind of a mask. For someone unknown reason this is a black and white issue with the left. They believe that all masks are equal and don't seem to care there are one thousand different types of masks. They don't seem to give a crap what kind of mask you have, if you are wearing it properly, how many times you have worn the same mask, if you follow good infection control procedures while putting on, wearing, or taking masks off. To them, if you have a mask you aren't attacked and only the unmasked are attacked and blamed for rising cases. This is why case counts continue going up during mask mandates, because the left only care if you are masked up or not masked up and if you are masked up it gives them a false sense of security that you can go out in droves and do whatever the hell you want as long as you are wearing your mask.
     
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    which is why I avoided those things as much as possible and wore a mask when going into somewhere like a grocery store

    I am vaccinated now, so I feel much safer, just wish more would get the vaccine

    but I agree, one person I knew said she was going grocery shopping to many stores as she was bored during covid, I was like that is not what they meant by you could go to these places.... lol, amazing how people justify things

    "if you have a mask you aren't attacked and only the unmasked are attacked and blamed for rising cases."

    Trump supporters often attacked people they seen wearing a mask, even attacked min wage greeters that had to ask them to wear a mask
     
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    Which is EXACTLY why mask mandates spread the virus, because all masks are not created equal, giving people the false sense of security that they can go out as much as they want, do whatever they want, and they won't get sick because they've got their mask. Last fall, the CDC said that it was not a good idea to travel, but if you must travel, wear a mask. What did people hear? It's ok to travel as long as you wear a mask. And, if cases rise all we have to do is blame it all on the unmasked.

    The stupidest thing is following guidelines that when you go into a restaurant you must wear a mask but once inside you can sit there with no mask on for an hour but, when you are ready to leave, you must put your mask back on. So, I guess the moral of the story is you can only catch the virus while going in or out the restaurant door but you are perfectly safe sitting inside for an hour with your masks off. People are just stupid. They need to use more common sense but too many people are too stupid to have common sense. You need to be smarter than just following someone's arbitrary guidelines, such as it is perfectly safe to not wear a mask on August 5, but it is not safe to go without a mask on August 6th.
     
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    which is not a fault of the mask, but of an uneducated public

    don't know how many I saw with the mask below their nose
     
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    What does the amount of people coming to the border have to do with the policy having NOT CHANGED?
     
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    They are not vaccines. They are experimental drugs never used on humans before. They are dangerous to all, fatal to many.

    Those are just a few of the reasons why they don't work as advertised. Pfizer pleaded guilty to criminal fraud 15 years ago. They are still doing it.
     
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    A good friend of mine who took the shots about 4 or 5 months ago is now infected. He had a miserable weekend, but feels he's slowly improving.
     
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    What difference does that make? Are they less serious because you want to call it a flu?
     
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    What flu?
     

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