Coronavirus Vaccines Don't Seem To Stop Delta

Florida children’s hospitals see pediatric COVID cases soar amid delta variant surge
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article253250073.html
More Florida children were hospitalized with COVID-19 on Tuesday than in any other state, reflecting a rapid rise in serious illness among an age group considered to be at the lowest risk of severe outcomes from the disease and many still not eligible for the vaccine.

 

Covid or the now nonexistent flu?

 

What does is sound like when they specify them as "COVID cases"?

 

and sadly we never got to 80%, now we will be dealing with this for longer, and more variants will emerge

 

Like all the flu cases?

 

they are telling the truth and the right is attacking them for it, acting like if no masks applied to the original covid and they require them for the variant, then they lied to us?

nope, the virus is evolving, and we have to go with the flow, that is reality

Texas and Florida are not practicing social distancing, even during the outbreak... that is why they're hurting so bad

glad you got vaccinated, thank you, wish more had

 

Most states aren’t and many blue states have a higher death rate per capita. So explain why Florida is a focus other than democrats attacks on DeSantis. They fear him.

 

Same reason NYC was the focus when they were the hot spot. The severity of the situation explains the focus. FL represents 6% of US population, but account for 20+% of Covid cases. Its not a conspiracy. Its sad Republicans always see themselves as victims of some evil conspiracy.

As for response: The big difference is that the governor FL won't allow locals or corporations to enforce preventive measures. Not even schools can ask kids to wear masks, although many school districts have announced, they will defy that order.

 

Here is what government wants you to be scared about.

 

let's just hope more get vaccinated and that a more deadly variant doesn't evolve in the mean time

 

Still pushing falsehoods? The only corporations affected are corporations getting government funding.

 

Like the cruise industry? They are threating to leave Florida because of his BS. Sure, give them some money, and then you can use that as a justification to put your boot on their throats. Its authoritarianism no matter how you spin it.

 

His behavior can be summarized by the words in this article: "Small-government conservatives should be appalled by such a heavy-handed use of state power to punish another layer of government."

Now he threatens to withhold taxpayer money from schools. That's our money. Does he now hold the power of the purse too?

DeSantis’ latest power grab goes too far and must be challenged
https://tylerpaper.com/ap/commentar...cle_67528f39-186c-5647-8cb3-cfcd78865b75.html
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis declared a state of emergency on March 9, 2020, about a week after the first coronavirus cases were reported. He issued an executive order that relied on his “supreme executive power” granted by the state Constitution. In an emergency, state law gives the governor authority to impose curfews, execute no-bid contracts and declare martial law.

The threat of COVID-19 is still with us, but Florida is no longer in a state of emergency. DeSantis ended it on July 1 in another executive order. Despite a major resurgence of the virus and record hospitalizations across the state, DeSantis dismissed it Tuesday as “media hysteria.”

So we can presumably all relax. But the executive orders keep coming — and that reveals a governor who’s playing politics.

DeSantis has gone too far with an order that prevents school districts and their elected leaders from imposing any mask requirements on students, and threatens to punish them if they do by taking away state money.

That’s our money that’s spent mostly to teach our kids. Who is DeSantis punishing?

Small-government conservatives should be appalled by such a heavy-handed use of state power to punish another layer of government.

 

One cruise line that does not want to use one of the options available so is suing. It’s a business decision.

 

The lambda variant doesn't seem to be phased by the vaccines either. Anyway, I guess at least trying is better than nothing. They will just have to regroup. I have consistently doubted the numbers they advertised but I still got my jabs and I really haven't unmasked yet--occasionally when there is no one close but seldom . We went from a small number of break through infections to a large number of them in a really short period of time thanks to the 4th of July holidays allowing it to spread from stem to stern. My granola brother and his granola wife have it right now. The thing is he doesn't know yet what his employer will do to him since he has been running around unmasked pretending to be vaccinated because his workplace is really hot and the masks were a burden.

Time to stockpile toilet paper and wait for all my free government money to start raining down again I guess.

 

Oh please. Even the MS liberal media report that illegals are coming over the border in far bigger droves than under Trump. Are you trying to say that Biden has a policy of separating children from their families?

 

Do you have any numbers that show these people are largely COVID positive? The last I read on that is they weren't testing them because they had no way to quarantine them if they tested positive. Have you heard/read something that contradicts that?

 

The reality is, you cannot vaccinate 100% of the entire world in one day. Therefore, variants are inevitable, even if 100% of the world population agreed to be vaccinated. It is misinformation to suggest otherwise. Delta actually came from India and Delta doesn't care if you are vaccinated or not, it still infects you and is spread to others. So, even if 100% of Americans had already been vaccinated, Delta would still have moved from India to the US and we would still be exactly where we are today in the number of infections. Yes, hospitalizations and deaths would be much different.

 

If you look at the facts instead of the lefty propaganda, during mask mandates, cases continued to climb and never went down until the vaccine actually came out because the vaccines actually stopped the original variants. The fact is, Delta is (if I remember correctly) 2.5 times more contagious than the original strain. Therefore, if cases continued rising through the old mask mandate then a new mask mandate would result in cases being at least 2.5 times higher than during the rising cases of the old mask mandates, not even accounting for it spreading exponentially.

They also lied to us by telling us that if everyone would be vaccinated in the US then the virus would just basically go away due to achieving herd immunity. That was not the truth because if 100% of Americans had gotten vaccinated, Delta would still be in full force today because Delta doesn't give a crap whether you are vaccinated or not. Even today the left are trying to pin the Delta virus on the unvaccinated, which is just a plain flat out lie. Again, Delta doesn't give a crap whether you are vaccinated or not. The only true and factual claim you can make is that the vaccinated have far less severe cases than do the unvaccinated. But, the unvaccinated have absolutely zero to do with the spread of Delta. Even if 100% of Americans were vaccinated, Delta would still be spreading. This is why the Biden administration refused to talk about cases they had and Pelosi's office had, because it contradicts their stated leftist agenda so we can't let the public know about it. Misinformation must be spread to further their agenda.

 

They are arresting and expelling far more than under Trump, so either there are more coming, or more are being arrested, or both. Title-42 was extended just few days ago, which means the CBP can continue to expel them in an expedited manner, and according to the CBP numbers they are pretty busy. Republicans keep saying the border is open (which it is not) and that message is heard South of the border, and it encourages people to come. IOTW that message is not helping, its making it worse.

According to CBP, the expedited expulsion policy in 2021 has led to lot of individuals to try again and again, and apparently 39% of people they catch are repeat offenders.

U.S. Border Patrol Monthly Enforcement Encounters 2021: Title 42 Expulsions and Title 8 Apprehensions
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/cbp-enforcement-statistics/title-8-and-title-42-statistics

That is factually false. The numbers went up, then down and then up and down again, and now they are going up for the 3rd time.

That is blatantly wrong. If 100% were vaccinated, Delta would be practically irrelevant since people would not be getting sick aka it would be far from "full force". It would have very little force. That is exactly where we want to be. We could be crawling with viruses, but if they dont make you sick, they go unnoticed. Your body would be constantly in contact with it and it would get stronger and stronger by natural means.

 

That is my gripe with the left. They attacked Trump 24/7 over the virus for basically saying, "It is what it is" while working on vaccines treatments and now we've got the Biden administration now seemingly realizing that the virus "Is what it is" while working on vaccines treatments.

 

yeah, cases just shows where the virus is at, I am more concerned with hospitalization and death... and knowing where the cases are exploding shows where to do social distancing and mask wearing to reduce the number of hospitalization and death of the unvaccinated and those with a compromised immune system

 

They are not testing them and then dispersing them throughout the country. I saw video of them, and those aren't Mexicans. Where are these people coming from?

That border was supposed to be secured in 1989 after Reagan granted amnesty to 3 million illegals. That was the deal.

Reagan grants amnesty and Congress secures the border.

Did. Not. Happen.

 

Cases will rise because the effect of at least the Pfizer vaccine drops off rapidly after about 4 months. After 4 months the vaccinated have 16% protection from contracting the virus according to Israeli data. They still have high protection from hospitalization and death but can still infect others.

 

You wrote "Those people coming over are not Mexicans and largely Covid positive." in Post #74.

I asked you how do you know they are largely COVID positive.

You replied with "They are not testing them..."

So, how do you know they are largely COVID positive?

Onto your other topic...Reagan was a politician. Politicians lie. That's what they do because we allow it to happen. We can't go back in time and redo any of that. We have to start from now and figure out some solutions.