Democrats have no path to the White House

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On the eve of St. Patrick's Day, renowned oddsmaker Paddy Power is still predicting Clinton being elected the next POTUS.

As does PredictWise by a widening margin as the two nominees become more inevitable.

I can find no non-partisan, objective, cold, calculating oddsmaker who differs.

Trump simply has the support of far too narrow a segment of the American electorate to compete, and appears to be further alienating rather than attracting the demographics that find him relatively more loathsome.

In the absence of a discernible path to the White House (unless he has a top secret Trump® Teleporter) the only way the reality tv celebrity will get there is by catering the Inaugural Ball with Trump® Steaks and Trump® Wine served by a staff of phi beta kappas from Trump® University (sanitized for your protection.)

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Uh, yeah. I'm definitely thinking, "Hair Net!"​

 

There are so many people including leaders who are black and Hispanic who
would completely disagree with your imagined racism. Trump has been a TV
personality and has been welcomed in democrat and republican circles for
decades. So then he runs for president and all of a sudden he's a racist and
a Nazi

Nobody is buying it folks.

 

(Stern look) Natty, didn't anyone ever warn you about jumping to conclusions? Go write, "Carter's re-election team was delighted to run against a light weight actor like Ronald Reagan," a hundred times on the blackboard.

Yes, there are good reasons to think that Clinton has a good chance of winning in the fall, including the ones you listed. No, Trump is no Reagan. It's still extremely foolhardy to dismiss Trump's chances. As they say, you should never taunt Murphy. Just a few months ago any objective observer would have said (with good cause) that Trump's campaign was a joke and he had no chance of winning the Republican nomination. And yet here we are. Anyone running for President with an R after their name has a decidedly non-trivial probability of becoming President. And voters are fickle and unpredictable creatures who often do things that defy logic and common sense. You shouldn't be scoffing at the idea of a Trump Presidency, you should be terrified by it. I know I am.

Riiiiight, because there's no such thing as racism in the US and anyone bringing up any racial issues is obviously making it up. And climate change is a hoax, Lee Harvey Oswald was a KGB agent, Elvis is alive and well, and CIA satellites are using mind control rays. Keep telling yourself that and you might actually convince yourself of it. That sort of pathetic attempt at deflection is so old and tired it's barely worth mocking. Want some tinfoil?

The presence of a few minorities in a movement in no way means that movement can't be racist, and it's utterly ridiculous to say that it does. There's a very good chance that Adolf Hitler's paternal grandfather was Jewish, and Hitler knew it. Are you going to say that therefore the Third Reich couldn't possibly have been anti-Semitic?

Labeling Mexicans rapists and murderers is racism, by definition.

Calling for a ban on Muslims entering the US and keeping a registry of Muslims already here is racism, by definition.

Trump's campaign has succeeded because he's taped into the fear of an awful lot of white people that if black people ever get real political power, they'll turn around and do the exact same thing to white people that white people have been doing to black people all these years. That's the reason for the scorched earth opposition to everything Obama says, thinks, or does. That's the reason for the Tea Party. That's the reason that the Republican "establishment" is being kicked out of their own party - they failed to keep their promise that they'd make sure that blacks never get real power.

You can deny it all you want, but actions speak louder than words, and your actions over the last few years are shouting at the top of their lungs.

And the reason Trump is only now being denounced is because he wasn't saying that we need to make America great again by kicking all the brown people out of the country when he was firing people on The Apprentice.

 

Who told you that "Carter's re-election team was delighted to run against a light weight actor like Ronald Reagan"? It certainly wasn't me.

I don't dismiss Trump's chances. I recognize the odds, and would still caution partisan Democrats against complacency.

I do not "scoff" at it. It's a distressing prospect for many Americans, Democrats, Republicans and Independents, as well as many in other nations favorably disposed toward America.

I also recognize that a Rubio or a Kasich would have posed a far greater threat. The nomination of the entertainment celebrity does not negate the potential for enjoyment that it provides.

Glum is not an option.

 

There aren't many people alive that know what racism looked like in the 1950's and before. I can tell you, that in my lifetime, I've never seen a segregated lunch counter, white only swimming pools and drinking fountains and so on. Nobody today is being lynched from the trees or murdered in the streets in massive white on black riots like we have had in the past. No blacks are segregated in the military, or facing a court martial for refusing to work in their segregated military assignment after a massive explosion due to unsafe working condition killed hundreds of African Americans sailors. No blacks are segregated from whites in their federal general service jobs because of an order from a democrat president.

I can give many more examples of institutionalized racism from before the civil rights movement that we have been relieved of having to witness in our modern times. The country deserves credit for it. And people who have suffered under extraordinary circumstances in the past deserve respect and deference of not trivializing current times as somehow comparable.

What I'm saying is that comparing Trump to Hitler does a genuine disservice to the millions who died in the Holocaust.

Yeah, the presence of quite a few minorities is very troubling to liberals afraid that their base is finally catching on that the democrats are a party of racists and have done nothing to better their lives and in fact have made them much, much worse.

Only that is not what Trump said now is it? As a Mexican American myself, I found what Trump actually said to be true, and it is about time somebody had the courage to say it. Have you heard of Kate Steinle? Did you hear about the illegal alien who recently murdered 5 people? That is not racist. If that is your only examples of racism, then I would have to say any charges of racism are false.

We already keep a registry of people who enter the United States and it already lists their religious preferences. Calling for a temporary ban until we can institute a better vetting process is not only common sense, it may save many lives. Being Muslim is not a race so the charge of racism is once again rings false.

My first Tea Party event had many blacks and Hispanics (myself included). Charges that the Tea Party is racist are completely unfounded. Your racist attitudes towards white people is duly noted. I voted for a black man to be president long before the democrats did. His name was Alan Keyes. You imaginary racist attitudes of most Americans is just plain insulting and un-American. The reason we oppose Obama is because he is a Marxist socialist. It's because he, the democrats and the GOP #backstablishment have run us into trillions of dollars of debt that will have to be paid for by our grandchildren and will likely destroy our nation. It's because our Constitution is being systematically dismantled. These are things that should be disturbing to all Americans of all political persuasions and races.

Our actions are to defend America. What part of that do you not like?

Importing little brown people for slave laborers to replace the little black slaves lost during the Civil War has been a priority of the democratic party for the past 50 years but as a Mexican American I am offended that nobody is standing up for the abuses that Mexicans, legal and illegal are suffering under. Poor wages, unsafe poor working conditions and no benefits in order to replace good paying jobs of American workers for the wealthy corporations and rich 1%er's who contribute to the campaigns of Shrillary Clinton and all the other democrat party hack politicians is what you are voting for. That is why democrats are the real party of racism yesterday and today.

 

Oh gods, not this nonsense again! We've been over this, in detail and great length. Remember all those electoral maps? Remember how the elections of 1900 and 2000 are nearly exact mirror images of each other? Remember the dramatic change from 1960 to 1968? Remember the demographics and voting blocs? Remember the changes in each party's coalition over the years? You no longer have any excuse. Comparing today's parties to their 19th century counterparts is a ridiculous rationalization of the worst kind, and you know it. Will you please stop this idiocy or do I need to go dig up that previous thread and beat you over the head with your own words?

Yes, we've made a lot of progress as a nation and things are a lot better than they were in the 1950's and the nation deserves tremendous credit for that. And conditions in the 1950's were a lot better than in the 1850's, and the nation made tremendous progress over that time and deserves credit for that too. By your logic, if things being better now than they were in the 1950's means that racism no longer exists, that would also mean that since things were better in the 1950's than in the 1850's that racism didn't exist in the 1950's either. And you're back to making an argument that implies that Jim Crow wasn't racist.

The real disservice to the millions of people who died at the hands of Nazi Germany is in forgetting who Hitler really was and how he did what he did. Hitler was a flesh and blood human being, not some evil pod person from Mars. He had the same human motivations and the same human failings as you or I or anyone else. The seeds of that sort of evil lie in all of us. If we forget that simple truth, how can we keep the promise of, "Never again"? I reiterate, if you are arguing that the Tea Party can't be racist because there are members who are minorities, you are also arguing that the Third Reich couldn't have been anti-Semitic.

Being Muslim is not a race? That statement assumes that the concept of race has some objective basis in heredity or biology. It doesn't. It's purely a social construct that simply amounts to "us" and "them." If you want proof, just go look in a mirror. Latinos are a mix of people mainly from Europe, Africa, and the Americas. That doesn't prevent bigots from hating them just as much as African Americans, or whoever the out group of the day happens to be.

Obama is a Marxist socialist? How ignorant can you possibly be? That's like saying that the Pope is an atheist heretic. It's laughably wrong and simply shows that you haven't the faintest idea what the terms mean.

Your actions have been to "defend" America? Defend?? You lot came within a hair's breadth of pushing the nation into default and causing an economic collapse at least as bad as the Great Depression. And why? Because you couldn't deal with a black man being President? You call that defending America? That's treason, bub, and the people in Congress responsible for it happening should be rotting in Gitmo with the rest of the terrorists. That you dare wrap yourself in the flag and the Constitution when the Tea Party has been doing everything in its power to break the Constitution is disgusting beyond words. The Constitution and the very concept of democracy require that government be conducted through compromise and consensus. The Tea Party treats compromise as a dirty word and acts to try to unilaterally impose its will on the nation and exclude anyone who disagrees with them from having any voice in government at all. The Tea Party celebrates "strength" and follows a man who's nothing but a blowhard and a bully. There's a word for that: fascism. That such authoritarian scumbags should dare call themselves Americans is an insult to every principle the United States is built on and spits on the memory of every real patriot who put their lives on the line so that government for the people, of the people, by the people shall not perish from the Earth.

 

So, stifle the hyper-partisan bushwa.

Is there any non-partisan, objective, cold, calculating oddsmaker anywhere who is forecasting a Trump victory in November? Any one?

I'll have another Guinness whilst I await an honest, succinct response.

 

Not one person voted in the year 2000 that also voted in the year 1900. Not even my 104 year old grandmother who was born in 1899. So, can we agree that the people who voted in 1900 were not the same people who voted in 2000? Other than that, your argument is fallacious. It's called a non-sequitur.

No, I don't remember a dramatic change from 1960 to 1968. Democrats won the South in 1960, and they won half the South in 1968 only because they split their votes between a socialist democrat, and a racist segregationist democrat. As for this fictitious change in "each party's coalition", no can't say I remember that either. Our party, the Republican Party, has always been the conservative party in favor of civil rights, the Democratic Party has always been the liberal party of racism and against individual civil rights. Nothing has changed.

This is more logic fallacy. I have never made such arguments. Although I can agree that 1950's American under the oppressive racist policies of the Democratic Party and all their Jim Crow Laws and violations of black people's civil rights were not quite as bad as the 1850's America where black people were the property of the Democratic Party's members living in abject misery of slavery. But I have never made any such argument that racism didn't exist in the 1950's. Of course it did, especially under Democratic President Harry S Truman who was a former KKK Klansman who was for segregation. This is a strawman argument.

Never. Another strawman argument. Show me where I said Jim Crow wasn't racist. Don't tell blatant lies about what I've said.

How stupid is the argument that the Tea Party is equivalent to the Third Reich?

If the Tea Party is racist, tell us how? What policies of the Tea Party are racist?

I know that liberals have been so brainwashed that even white people are now passing as black people because they "self identify" as that race. The truth is, biology matters, and science matters. If you are genetically this race or that race, that is not something that can be changed via personal preferences any more that a man can become a woman.

Obama is a Marxist socialist, no doubt about it. Unless he's a fascist Muslim, in which case I can admit I was mistaken.

Trying to put the brakes on an out of control federal debt is the only way to stop this existential threat to our country. Passing these continuing resolutions and Obamacare and stimulus packages and bailout of corporations is no way to run an economy, it is how you ruin an economy.

Race card! Take a drink!

What policies of the Tea Party do you disagree with? Because I think that everyone can agree that endless deficit spending is not sustainable.

I am not aware of any Constitutional users manual that says "compromise and consensus" is a requirement. In fact, compromising on personal liberty is a non-starter.

That is funny. Do you remember a certain president saying, "Elections have consequences"?

Speaking of fascism, do you remember a certain president saying, "If congress doesn't act, we will act on our own" or "I have a pen and a phone"?

Just a bit of selective outrage I should think. Trump has not said anything that would indicate that he would be one to do anything without the approval of congress. In fact, he has gone out of his way to show that he would not only work with RINO republican leaders, but also the socialist Democrats leaders in congress as well. Also, which party shows more appreciation for our men and women in the military? If you can say democrat with a straight face you are delusional.

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And Reagan was losing to Carter by 20 points. How'd that work out for ya?

 

If your attempt to duck the question takes you down Memory Lane, you may want to read this.

Your evasion appears to be your way of admitting, "No, I am not aware of a single professional oddsmaker forecasting a Trump victory in November."

 

Sure, I will admit that. Just as I would admit that most oddsmakers would have bet that Reagan was going to lose to Jimmy Carter.

 

I am not going to indulge your fondness for magical thinking where you believe that if you say that orange is green, that actually makes it so. Especially not on topics that we've already beaten to death, so go back and review our previous discussions in this very thread starting here and in another thread starting here. Claiming that the Democratic and Republican parties are exactly the same today as a century or century and a half ago is laughably ridiculous and requires a complete disregard of the facts. Even you finally admitted that the parties have undergone dramatic realignments after I beat you over the head with basic facts for days on end:

Even though I gave you a pass on the ideology bit at the time because I was trying to take the conversation in a different direction, I would like to point out that central ideas of both parties' platforms (such as supply side economics for the GOP) didn't even exist when the parties were founded.

As for you making arguments that imply that Jim Crow wasn't racist, I will remind you of this conversation from earlier in this thread:

I was not comparing the Tea Party to the Nazis. I was asking you if the Tea Party can't be racist because some members are minorities, how could the Nazi Party be anti-semetic when its leader likely had a Jewish grandfather? Answer the question. If your argument is valid it should apply equally to the Nazis as to the Tea Party.

And just shouting "Race card!" any time race comes up without addressing my points is nothing but an intellectually dishonest doge. and while we're at it, there's no such thing as being "genetically this race or that race" since race has absolutely zero genetic basis whatsoever. A large portion of whites in the US have African ancestry and an even larger portion of blacks have European ancestry. Those people who used to talk about "race mixing"? Yeah, that ship sailed centuries ago. And once again, if you want proof that race is purely a social construct, look in the mirror. You are living proof that race has no biological basis, as is every other Latino.

Riiiight, and Obama is a Marxist socialist because...? Oh, wait, let me guess. Because death panels! And forged birth certificates! And CIA mind control rays! Have some tinfoil, ya nutter. And make sure to get a stud finder to make sure the aliens haven't given you any implants. And accusing him of being Muslim is just plain racist, on several levels.

What Tea Party policies do I disagree with? Oh, I don't know, maybe trying to force the government into default for no good reason?????[/b/] And don't give me that crap about the deficit. The Tea Party doesn't give a d*** about the deficit and never has. The only thing the Tea Party has ever cared about is trying to keep the black President from doing so much as scratching his nose. the Tea Party has been conducting complete scorched earth warfare against anything Obama does, no matter what it is. The only rational reason for that is if the Tea Party is dominated by people who think that if blacks ever get real political power they'll turn around and do to whites what whites have been doing to blacks all these years. Otherwise the behavior is just plain irrational.

 

Well if you'd have the ability to show us when and where the GOP was the liberal party and on what issues throughout time, and when and were the democrats were the conservative party on the issues and during which time periods, you'd have done so already if there was one iota of truth to the assertions. Now I don't know if I ever claimed they were exactly the same as the issues were different in the 1870's as compared to the 1970's, granted. When did I admit to these dramatic realignments? What realignments? Not sure what you are talking about there.

Right, in the 1920's it was called "laissez faire" but whether the 1980's, 1920's or the 1880's, the Republicans had a fiscally conservative, strong dollar, pro-business attitudes. With the exception of the Roosevelt & Taft administrations the GOP was historically conservative.

Ironically, the GOP had great support from African Americans until the leftward tilt of Roosevelt and Taft, when the blacks began to vote for the racist democratic party and Woodrow Wilson.

I think your argument that it applied to blacks and whites sounds like an argument that Jim Crow wasn't racist. I was arguing that it only applied to blacks which was of course racist. But I think that both you and I can agree, that the racist Jim Crow laws imposed by the Democratic Party in the South and all other parts of the country were in fact racist.

When you compare the Tea Party to Nazis you are comparing to the Tea Party to Nazis. I don't know how it is you can say you weren't comparing the two.

What is racist is your assumption that blacks and other minorities cannot be conservatives or Tea Party members because it is somehow not in their best interests based on their skin color. Can you be any more racist than that?

I agree. We are all the human race. Now maybe liberals and democrats can quit pandering to blacks, Hispanics, Muslims and whatever other special interest group that they can gin up hatred and anger against innocent hard working white men.

He's a Marxist socialist because of the company he keeps, because of the associations that he has had, the church he attended for over 20 years and the things that he has said of himself in his own autobiographies. Maybe you should read them, it his history in his own words.

Well see there you go! The reason you are opposed to the Tea Party is because you care completely ignorant of what the Tea Party is all about.

I'll have to once again congratulate you on such a generous and over-the-top use of the RACE CARD!

That's always a refreshing trump card to play at the end of a post. Mmmm, Mmmm... The taste is so good!

 

If the Tea Party can't be racist because some members are minorities, how could the Nazi Party be anti-semetic when its leader likely had a Jewish grandfather?

 

That is just the worst logic fallacy ever. I mean really? Yes, you are comparing
the Tea Party to Nazis, that is obvious.

I don't see where anyone has demonstrated that the Tea Party is racist, so
what the color of their members are is irrelevant. I don't see the Tea Party
marching Jews into the ovens so maybe you should give that bullcrap analogy
a rest.

 

It's a single very simple question. You have asserted repeatedly that the Tea Party can't be racist because it has minority members. If that is so how could the Nazi Party be anti-semetic when its leader likely had a Jewish grandfather? Don't doge like a cowardly little weasel, answer the question.

 

The Tea Party is not racist. That is the point.

Your stupid Nazi analogy notwithstanding.

 

So you're conceding that the idea that the Tea Party can't be racist because it has minority members is completely ridiculous?

 

Reading comprehension is not a strong suit for you. What about the Tea Party is racist?

 

LOL Reading comprehension? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Now, are you conceding that the idea that the Tea Party can't be racist because it has minority members is not a valid argument? Yes or no. And yes, I am going to keep shoving your nose in this for as long as it takes. You made an argument that is simply wrong. Man up and admit it already. Stop trying to weasel out of it like a five year old trying to say that they only had their hand in the cookie jar to see if it was empty.

 

Here's what I have to say about this subject.

 

Outside of cruising down Penn. Ave and turning into the driveway?

 

You were wrong and you know it. Now stop being a petulant child and deal with it.

 

You must be talking to someone else.

 

-_- How old are you? Twelve? If the Tea Party can't be racist because it has minority members, then how can the Nazi Party be anti-Semetic when Hitler likely had a Jewish grandfather?

 

The Nazi's were socialists like democrats.