Democrats have no path to the White House

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  1. Kessy_Athena

    Kessy_Athena New Member

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    Which isn't really true - the Nazis basically inherited the name. But that's besides the point. If the Tea Party can't be racist because it has minority members, how could the Nazi Party be anti-Semitic when Hitler likely had a Jewish grandfather?
     
  2. PatriotNews

    PatriotNews Well-Known Member

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    You know who's party is racist? The Democratic Party. They are the party of the KKK, of Jim Crow laws and segregation. They are the party that think black people are too stupid to get a voter ID.
     
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    The KKK, Jim Crow, and segregation were all prevalent in areas that CURRENTLY vote exclusively for the GOP in general elections. Take a gander as to why.
     
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    PatriotNews Well-Known Member

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    You don't know what you are talking about.
     
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    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    They were more fascist than socialist but somewhere inbetween. They directed and controlled industry and business but there was private ownership. Sorta like the Obama administration and Sanders and the Democrats wants to do.
     
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    We've been over this and your argument has been thoroughly debunked. The fact that you keep doing this - repeating the same old arguments over and over that you know are just plain wrong - is the reason I'm putting the screws to you. Now, if the Tea Party can't be racist because it has members who are minorities, how could the Nazi Party be anti-semetic when Hitler likely had a Jewish grandfather? Answer the question, or do you need to be sent to the time out corner until you learn to play well with others?

    There were socialistic aspects of the Nazi regime, but when you start getting into the fine details of how different governments work those sorts of labels really aren't all that useful. Some dynamics are always going to be present in some degree simply because we're talking about a hierarchical power structure in a human society. But a great deal of the details are going to be uniquely determined by the particular historical, economic, technological, and social context.
     
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    The democrats should not have had a snowballs chance in hell in keeping the White House. Now thanks to Donald Trump they have a good shot at it.
     
  8. PatriotNews

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    <Mod Edit - Response to Delted>

    Now I can continue to point out the racist history of the Democratic Party if you wish,
    while you point out one instance of the Tea Party's racist policies of which there are
    none.

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    Squirm all you want, the question's not going away. If the Tea Party can't be racist because of minority members, how could the Nazi Party be anti-semetic when Hitler likely had a Jewish grandfather?
     
  10. PatriotNews

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    Didn't I give the answer to that question long ago? Okay, if I didn't, here it is -
    that is a non sequitur logic fallacy.

    Besides, the only political party with a long history of racism is the Democratic Party.

    The Tea Party, which is not a political party at all, does not have any racist policies
    and doesn't discriminate based on race. All Americans are welcome to join the Tea
    Party movement. The first Tea Party Rally I went to had many blacks, Hispanics and
    even some democrats and independents.

    Check out these old political cartoon about the racist Democratic Party:

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    So, keep on playing that race card! I got lots more!
     
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    No, you've never answered the questioned, only tried to weasel out of it. Because you know very well that there isn't an answer. Your contention, which you just repeated, is that the Tea Party can't be racist because there are minority members. How is it a logical fallacy to ask why that logic wouldn't equally apply to the Nazis? A correct logical argument should apply equally well whenever its assumptions are valid. That's not a non-sequitur, that's the basic definition of logic. How is there any fallacy involved? Which fallacy is involved?

    Or are you unclear on what a logical fallacy actually is? Allow me to give you an example of a logical fallacy to illustrate. An anecdotal fallacy is when you use a personal experience or isolated incident instead of evidence and reasoning. So, if one were to say that since one particular Tea Party rally had many blacks, latinos, democrats, and independents, that therefore the Tea Party cannot support racist policies, that is an anecdotal fallacy.

    Firstly, because one rally had such people in attendance does not mean that all, most or even many such rallies have that sort of attendance.

    Furthermore, the attendance of some people with a certain political opinion at a rally does not imply that the organization holding the rally holds the same opinion. Protestors at Trump rallies provide a trivial example of this. People may also attend a rally out of curiosity or in ignorance of the agenda or out of social pressure or any number of other reasons that do not imply support of the rally's agenda.

    Also, political groups and movements can and do change over time. Thus, a rally several years ago may not reflect the current state of the movement. For example, a Nazi Party rally in 1920 was a very different thing than a Nazi rally in 1939.

    Finally, the fact that someone is black, latino, independent or democrat does not imply what that person's political opinions are.
     
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    No, you are unclear, because I've told you over and over but you keep using the same
    logical fallacy over and over. How many times to I have to reject the premise of your
    question before you figure out that I am not going to be baited into answering your race
    baiting questions?

    Give it up Sherlock, or is it Don Quixote?

    Well not according to democrats. Black people can only vote for democrats or else
    they are betraying their race.
     
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    it's not like you don't know, so here we go again... Dems were idiot racists but learned from their errors long ago and moved on to better things while the inbred party of endless hate and destruction dug in their heels and exist in this election and on these pages. your bunch is all alone on a barren island and getting voted off en mass into shark infested waters, see ya!

    now go ahead and shout your debunked denials :)
     
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    What logical fallacy? You cry logical fallacy, but you fail to specify what logical fallacy you're talking about. Perhaps because there is no fallacy and you know it, and you're just trying to distract and deflect? In case you haven't noticed, I'm hard to distract.

    If the tea Party can't be racist because it has minority members, how could the Nazi Party be anti-semitic when Hitler likely had a Jewish grandfather. If there's a logical fallacy in that question, then point it out. Or admit you can't.

    Only crazy people (left or right) talk about anyone betraying their race. You won't find mainstream Dems talking about such things today.
     
  15. PatriotNews

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    Non sequitur.

    How about I change that to the broken record fallacy? That is one I just made
    up. It's one where someone gets it in their head that if they keep repeating the
    same idiotic question over and over it will some day become less idiotic.

    Let's see, just to be clear, the Nazi's murdered millions of Jews, Catholics and
    other minorities, the infirm or handicapped people, and the Tea Party murdered
    who? So let me point this out to you, it is very insensitive of people to compare
    stuff to the Holocaust when it is nothing like the Holocaust. This is very racially
    and ethnically insensitive.

    You should stop doing that, unless you are a Holocaust denier.

    Oh BS! I've seen that done by liberal talking heads on TV.
     
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    PatriotNews Well-Known Member

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    Oh please. Stop stealing moves of republicans and trying to pretend
    that democrats did it. They didn't. They didn't learn it all that well. As
    I've pointed out, they almost nominated a racist segregationist in 1972
    and they did get Jimmy Carter the segregationist elected as the president.

    Then they elected another Southern racist Democratic President B. J. Clinton.
    He awarded the Presidential Medal of freedom to his segregationist hero
    William J. Fulbright.

    Then they all got together Presidents Carter, Clinton and Obama and shed a
    tear in their beer at the funeral of KKK Democratic Senator Robert Byrd.

    Sure they learned, they reformed, they evolved. And on the way they revoked
    vouchers for D.C. black children against the will of the people of D.C. and their
    Delegate Eleanor Holmes Norton so that now those children are going to be
    trapped in failing public schools. You see, teachers unions give much more
    money than poor black families in D.C. give. What have poor black people
    done for democrats lately? And that is just one example of the many racist
    policies and actions of democrats over the past 4 or 5 decades.

    They didn't learn much I think.
     
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    You hang on to that little dream about what a handful of elite establishment wants.

    Meantime, Bernie Sanders supporters will be sitting home with the bong in November. :)
     
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    Certainly the wet dream of delusional Trump supporters hallucinating on the kool aid.
     
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    ROFLMAO! Well at least you're honest that you're making crap up. No, that doesn't smell like desperation at all. ;)

    Look, you made an argument that turned out to be wrong. Why do you insist make such a big deal out of it? We all make mistakes, there's no shame in it. You're not stupid - you know full well that the idea that the Tea Party can't be racist because it has minority members is untenable. Why can't you let it go? Disproving this line of argument does not prove that the Tea Party is racist. It's just one point in the larger discussion. Just admit it's not a valid argument and stop using it so we can move on. Behaving like this just makes you look foolish and childish. Stop it already.

    RE: liberal talking heads on TV: If you mean you've seen them on Fox News, Fox News blatantly makes stuff up.
     
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    gamewell45 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yet if the election were held today, polls indicate that both Hillary and/or Bernie would bury Trump in a landslide.
     
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    You have it wrong. You see I am not saying that the Tea Party can't be racist
    because there are minorities in the Tea Party, I'm saying the Tea Party is not
    racist, therefore, minorities are welcome and feel welcome to join the Tea Party.

    So you see, I am not saying that the Tea Party is not racist because it has minorities,
    I'm saying it is not racist therefore it has minorities.

    Perhaps this can clear up your misconception and now we can move past this stupid
    and incredibly annoying repetitive lying crap and stupid strawman arguments.

    What is foolish and childish is your insensitive Holocaust denials and repetitive
    comparison of the Tea Party to Nazis.
     
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    PatriotNews Well-Known Member

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    Those polls are wrong #1 and the only poll that counts is the one in November.

    They are not taking into account the historically higher voter turnout for republicans and
    the historically low turnout for democrats.
     
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    I guess we shall see won't we?
     
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    other than haters, who would we ever consider lynching? haters are mad because they can't lynch with uncontested impunity from coast to coast and then overseas, just because?
     

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