Derek Chauvin juror LIED about protest: Cop's hope of appeal boosted after picture emerges of juror

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  1. Egoboy

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    Why do you ALWAYS make me find real sources for information?? I know you like the headlines they use, but there's next to no information in there.

    So your claim is he lied on his jury questionnaire?

    • Mitchell said he answered 'no' to two questions about demonstrations on the questionnaire sent out before jury selection

    Here's the actual questionnaire that was sent out..

    https://www.twincities.com/2021/03/10/derek-chauvin-trial-jury-questionnaire-george-floyd/

    Here's the only Y/N question I can find on that about demonstrations (Page 4)

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    Now, I've given you the clues.... explain to me how he's lying if he checked No to that?
     
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    show me where he lied, until you do, I go with desperation of a defense that has nothing left
     
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    Mitchell's words on the subject were that he was attending a rally about voting rights, hanging out to see a large group of black persons exercising political speech in a small area, and to see DC as a tourist.. He disclosed BLM etc affiliations in other questions.
    To show he is lying you'll have to get him saying essentially "I was there about Floyd" or otherwise a dispositive statement.
    You can go to a protest for 1 reason, and several other causes can show up for their own reasons. That doesn't mean you endorse their cause or they yours. Perjury is a high bar, and so is overturning a verdict.
    This photograph and that question do not pass either on their own.
     
  4. Tipper101

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    Methinks you don’t understand what bias as it pertains to our court system is. Why don’t you use some of your clairvoyance to educate yourself, or did you use it all up on intimately knowing the jurors submitted materials?
     
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    The OP specifically asked “did the juror lie?”

    you specifically said “no”

    the onus is not on me to show that he did. Words mean things. You said no, now back it up buddy boy
     
  6. Egoboy

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    I posted the questionnaire in post #27... what question in there do you think a No answer would be a lie?

    Hint - there are only 2 questions in there with "no" possible answers regarding demonstrations/protests...
     
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    See my post #27.... I bet he answered No to question #7, because he went to an event in DC, not Minneapolis...

    Seems like a simple solution here.

    I cannot find anything else in that questionnaire about demonstrations...
     
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    Are you in the market for a bridge? I have this sweet sweet bridge that connects to the Moon. I thought you may have some real interest.

    The irony is your user name. You don't know how much entertainment people are going to get out of your above post. Thank you!

    To everyone else that is honest and logical, we all know that guy that wore a BLM shirt and went to the rally in D.C. has no business on that jury.
     
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    if so, the defense should have worded that question different

    the defense uses these questions to help them pick jurors, a long slow process if you have ever been through it - both times I did not get picked when I was selected for jury duty thank goodness
     
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    No kidding... I assume the defense had a say in the development of that form....

    If so, maybe Chavin has a ineffective counsel suit, but I cannot see how answering that question No is going to get him a new trial.

    However, until we know what the actual appeal grounds are, I'm just guessing (but at least it's an informed guess)...
     
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    This is a gift for the defense attorney.
     
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    Wait, so you’re saying that this juror put on that entire questionaire “no” twice....which doesn’t even remotely satisfy the questionaire...and you are satisfied?

    If that’s all he put down then he shouldn’t have been accepted, and if he put down more then, yet again, no one can say yet if he lied. Although I can’t imagine, knowing the questions that were asked, him answering them in a way that either wasn’t a lie or an indictment of the system that let him serve.
     
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    I think the questionnaire referred to where the police brutality took place, not where the demonstration was attended.

    If the demonstration in DC was about voting rights there should be no problem there, but the BLM t-shirt is a red flag. Not sure it's enough to trigger a retrial and even if it is I expect the outcome will still be the same...
     
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    They'd look like citizens of the county I find myself being tried in if they were correct and space aliens if they were not unless those space aliens are american citizens in the jurisdiction of course. Why, do you think black people are not 'peers' IE equal class citizens, to white people and vice versa?

    Not to mention: there were a number of whites on his jury, and his lawyer neglected to make any Batson challenges (juror struck for race etc). Guess where that leaves him? Procedurally ****ed. Want to object about race? Make the proper objection in a timely and specific fashion on the record. Those are the rules.

    I'm neither common, a marxist, or a liberal. I'll thank you to not spread such rank lies. I am a libertarian.
    You may quote me anywhere I've ever said any of those things. Don't worry, I won't hold my breath waiting on that to be produced. Try reading what I actually write, and respond to that instead of that said little windmill you keep tilting at.

    If his lawyer didn't make batson challenges or if he did if it could be shown that no juror was struck on the basis of race and instead an independent valid cause was provided for why no blacks made the jury? I don't see the issue. I guess that's because I understand how the rules work and you don't though.
     
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    It's not about Chauvin the person, it's about our system working. I just find it funny that people complained about Trump pushing the 'levers of justice', but Trump barely sneezed on the scale compared to what the travesty of this kind of trial was. No trial should have the public/political sway that this one did.
     
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    .... in other news, an all white jury composed of at least 1 kkk member convicted a black man of murdering a white man in a lightning fast 10 hours. When asked to comment, one juror stated their decision would have been sooner but for the really long orgy they had the in the deliberation room....
     
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    Except that's not how juror exclusion works, nor trials for perjury, nor motion to overturn a verdict based on jury misconduct.
    This is not 'Nam Smokey, there are rules.
     
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    That's not the way question 7 is worded...

    A t-shirt is not a red flag, lying on a jury questionnaire IS a red flag.

    If somebody can prove that, there should be some sort of review...

    Until then.....
     
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    Last I checked, “citizens of this country” weren’t solely composed of white women and black men. Stop watching the kardashians so much.
     
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    kkk : A terrorist organization predicated on the idea that blacks are genetically inferior and must be purged as well as being 2nd class citizens.
    BLM: Too loosely affiliated to qualify, but generally holds that blacks should caucus as a bloc and demand various things as imagined redress for crimes most of them did not suffer.
    =
    Not a one to one comparison.

    Jurors ****ing in the deliberation room: Admission of misconduct so......
    Also not a 1 to 1.

    That imagination you have sure must be good for something but I can't tell what it is.
     
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    Only blacks on the jury should be ones who think their life doesn’t matter. Maybe Tim Scott will move to Minnesota
     
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    I don't watch the Kardashians. Again, your projection of your own failings on others is a sad, sad thing.

    So now you want a racial quota? After you decried it when you falsely attributed it to me? My you're accomplished at talking out of both sides of your mouth, aint ya son?
     
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    was that picture taken at a protest about police use of force or police brutality?
     
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    you’re right, they aren’t 1-1. BLM is far more violent. And far more relevant.

    also, way to miss the entire point.
     
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    Look like it’s in a restaurant
     

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