Derek Chauvin verdict...

Discussion in 'Race Relations' started by Moriah, Apr 21, 2021.

  1. Ddyad

    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    Malcolm eventually became very critical of the Nation of Islam hence his assassination.
    Like most of us his thoughts evolved over time.

    IMO, Malcolm X usually got it right.

    “Tactics based solely on morality can only succeed when you are dealing with people who are moral or a System that is moral.”
    Malcom X, By Any Means Necessary, Malcom X, Betty Shabazz and Pathfinder Press, 1992. p. 42.
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    Something else he got wrong.....MLK disagreed.
     
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    I've never heard a modern white person approve of slavery. Nor do I hold them responsible for things their ancestors did.
     
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  4. Ddyad

    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    They were both right, and I think they both knew that they were both right.

    "I want Dr. King to know that I didn't come to Selma to make his job difficult. I really did come thinking I could make it easier. If the white people realize what the alternative is, perhaps they will be more willing to hear Dr. King."
    Malcolm X, in conversation with Coretta Scott King (February 1965), as quoted in My life with MLK, Jr. (1969), page 256"
    https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Malcolm_X
     
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    Joe Biden is a notorious racist Democrat. He led the Dixiecrats to their final victory over school desegregation.

    "In the most heated exchange of the first Democratic debates, Sen. Kamala Harris (D-CA) took Biden to task for his past opposition to busing as a way to desegregate public schools. As late as his 2007 autobiography, the former Delaware senator called busing desegregation programs a “liberal train wreck.” But numerous stories about Biden’s record on race have documented his opposition to the federal government’s racial integration efforts dating back to the 1970s and his fondness for Dixiecrat senators like James Eastland of Mississippi."
    ROLLING STONE, Joe Biden in 1987: ‘We (Delawareans) Were on the South’s Side in the Civil War’, On Thursday, another decades-old quote of Biden’s surfaced courtesy of the Trump campaign’s opposition research team, By ANDY KROLL & JAMIL SMITH, JULY 19, 2019.
    https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/joe-biden-delaware-civil-war-860886/

    Ordinary Americans, including ordinary American Democrats are not racists, but the DP has always been the party of systemic institutional racism in America, and those institutions, including the public schools and the criminal justice system were subverted by what has passed as a "progressive" movement to undermine the foundations of the black American family, culture and community.

    The first real step toward cancelling real racism in America would be to cancel the DP.
    Many black Americans have finally figured that out.
     
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    Well, it's their own fault. Black and brown people should learn to stay in "their place"! / sarcasm
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    "Like most of us his thoughts evolved over time."
    You were willing to cut Malcolm X some slack but not Biden? Play the partisan game. Your view of history is right-wing distortion and spin.
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    What is your evidence MLK thought that?
     
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    Here is what the degree of murders are...
    https://blogs.findlaw.com/content/b...021278&source=google~ppc&fltagtagmanagerenv=5

    So by definition, I believe he was charged appropriately.
     
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    Edna, please excuse me for butting in, but I agree with Ddyad. Malcolm X is one of my heroes, along with MLK and many others.
    Malcolm X and MLK had different beliefs about how to help Blacks achieve their equality. But, they were both needed and were both productive in their own ways.
    The evidence that they were both productive is this: both were assassinated.
     
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    Moriah Well-Known Member

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    Near the end of his life MLK said "I believe I have integrated my people into a burning building".
    He was becoming more militant in his thinking. Maybe he realized the non-violent peaceful protests were not working. The hateful racists in the South had no compassion or empathy for non- violent Black people. This was something Malcolm X already knew.
     
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    What reforms do you want? If the 38 year old neighbor is having sex with your 10 year old daughter and you call the police they send out a social worker?

    We refuse to prosecute black men who commit violent crimes against other black people?
     
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    Blacks are the reason Biden is president. He was the candidate of choice out of over 20 in the democrat primaries.
     
  14. Ddyad

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    Trump enjoyed unprecedented support from black and Latino Americans. Hence the increasing suspicion that the election was rigged.

    "The new Emerson poll puts Trump at 35 percent with black voters and 38 percent with Hispanics. “If you add in Asian voters at 28 percent approval,” notes Emerson’s director of polling Spencer Kimball, “our number is very close to the new Marist poll,” which finds Trump’s approval at 33 percent among non-white voters. A recent RasmussenReports poll has Trump support among black voters at 34 percent, and even the new CNN poll has Trump’s approval among non-white voters at 26 percent.

    Why is losing black voters by a two-to-one margin something to shout about? Because if Donald Trump came anywhere close to those numbers on Election Day, he’d likely win a ***50-state sweep***. Minority voters — and black voters in particular — are an absolutely vital part of the Democratic base. And they don’t vote for Republicans, particularly for president."
    NEWSDAY, New polls show black support for Trump surging, By Michael Graham, 12/3/19. (*** mine)
    https://www.newsday.com/opinion/commentary/black-voters-donald-trump-support-1.39184208
     
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    The current criminal justice system is designed to encourage crime and disorder. These are a few of the reforms that I think should be considered

    "1. Expand the size of juries to 15 randomly selected jurors.
    2. Restrict voir dire to 2 questions.
    3. Require 12 votes to convict or acquit.
    4. Eliminate the rules of evidence.
    5. Impose time limits on trials to make lawyers present their best evidence fast.
    6. Jury instructions should be limited to a short description of the problems with some kinds of evidence, and the nature of the burden of proof.

    Result: Speedy justice, no rigged trials, billions in saved legal costs." Dd

    Armed and armored police should always been sent to make an arrest.
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    Nope, Ddyad's quote of Malcolm X at that point in his life was bad policy; separatism and demonizing allies. If the civil rights movement had taken on Malcolm's strategy that would have alienated the white population and the civil rights movement needed them to get laws passed. MLK's non-violence vs the harsh repression moved the white population to sympathize with the struggle and laws were passed.
     
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    The record of the DP and Biden speaks for itself.
    The DP has has destroyed the black American family, community and culture wherever it has had the power to do so. The RP and the "RW", have been for the most part indifferent to systemic "progressive" racism.
    RP pols tend to be corrupt cowards as opposed to aggressive racists like Biden.

    "The domestic population policy U.S. government has an undeniably racist edge. Native American, Chicana, Puerto Rican and Black women continue to be sterilized in disproportionate numbers. According to a National Fertility Study conducted in 1970 by Princeton University's office of Population Control, 20% of all married Black women have been permanently sterilized. I'm probably the same percentage of Chicana women had been rendered surgically infertile. Moreover, 43% of the women sterilized through federally subsidized programs were Black."
    WOMEN RACE AND CLASS, Angela Y. Davis, Random House, NY, 1980. p. 219.

    Angela Davis is not RW.
     
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    Malcolm X did not "demonize" his allies. Describing white segregationists like Biden as "allies" of black Americans is a bizarre challenge to objective reality and Biden's corrupt record of corruption and racist activism.

    "I'm not going to sit at your table and watch you eat, with nothing on my plate, and call myself a diner. Sitting at the table doesn't make you a diner, unless you eat some of what's on that plate."

    "Whenever you are going after something that is yours, you are within your legal rights to lay claim to it. And anyone who puts forth any effort to deprive you of that which is yours, is breaking the law, is a criminal."

    Human rights are something you were born with. Human rights are your God-given rights. Human rights are the rights that are recognized by all nations of this earth. And any time any one violates your human rights, you can take them to the world court.

    We want freedom now, but we’re not going to get it saying "We Shall Overcome". We’ve got to fight until we overcome.

    A segregated school system produces children who, when they graduate, graduate with crippled minds."
    "Malcolm X: Make It Plain," from The American Experience, season 6, episode 6, PBS (first aired 26 January 1994) (emphasis mine)
    https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Malcolm_X
     
  20. edna kawabata

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    My, you have a strange view of history. I will not try to pop your far right view of history bubble, because it is not worth the effort, but a couple things....The far right as you eluded to agrees with the Nation of Islam that there should be separation of the races and the Jews and liberals are the enemy. Who among the white community was supporting the civil rights movement? It wasn't the right, it was the Jewish community and the liberals.

    Your highlighted quote....it would be in character that he was talking about white people.
     
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    As I Said above I won't go into the upside down world of where "systemic progressive racism" came from but you are quoting Davis for right-wing purposes (evil liberals). I know of no "domestic population policy of the U.S. government". She was seeing racism where there was none. The birth control pill appeared in the late '60s before that birth control measures were unreliable except for a tubal ligation. The women who could least afford to have more babies sought out tubals and proportionately that would be POC...and uncoerced BTW.
     
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  22. Ddyad

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    Another unresponsive reply. Malcom X made it clear that the victims of school segregation were black Americans - not whites. Are you not aware of this?

    If you think only "The far right" knows that Biden is a dishonest racist politician you are mistaken.
     
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    Most thinking leftists know that liberals are capable of great evil. Are you an exception?
    Angela Davis just proved it.

    "By the 1970s over 35% of all Puerto Rican women of childbearing age had been surgically sterilized. According to Bonnie Mass, a serious critic of the US government's population policy,

    "… mathematical projections are to be taken seriously, if the present rate of sterilization of 19,000 monthly, were to continue, then the Island's population of workers and peasants could be extinguished within the next 10 to 20 years… (establishing) for the first time in world history a systematic use a population control capable of eliminating an entire generation of people.""
    WOMEN RACE AND CLASS, Angela Y. Davis, Random House, NY, 1980. pp. 219,220.

    "The astonishing number of Puerto Rican women who have been sterilized reflects a special government policy that can be traced back to 1939. In that year President Roosevelt's Interdepartmental Committee on Puerto Rico issued a statement attributing the island's economic problems to the phenomenon of overpopulation."
    WOMEN RACE AND CLASS, Angela Y. Davis, Random House, NY, 1980. p.219.
     
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    My initial reaction was not to trust Ms Davis' opinion but she seems to be right... https://twu.edu/media/documents/his...of-Women-of-Color-in-20th-Century-America.pdf
    Anywho, why is it the fault of the "liberals"? There were many abuses of POC in the south.
     
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    I don't agree with #4: If you get rid of rules of evidence, what will the trial be based on? I also don't agree with #5: Some trials are more complex/have more witnesses than others. These trials will require more time.
    I'm not sure jurors should be randomly selected either. I believe jurors should be carefully chosen according to the cases they are to hear.
     
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