DeSantis, faced with covid surge, urges Floridians to use Regeneron antibody treatment given to ...

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  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    isn't that an experimental drug developed using cells derived from an aborted fetus?

    "COVID treatment Trump touted as a "cure" was developed using cells derived from aborted fetal tissue"

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/regeneron-trump-covid-aborted-fetal-tissue/


    how the republicans party has changed under Trump
     
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    Don’t forget all Covid vaccines in use in the US were also tested in fetal cell lines. You are essentially making the argument republicans should reject vaccination based on this fact.
     
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    That's true but some of those refusing the vaccine do so because of the ancient use of aborted fetal tissue which I think is the point of the poster you quoted
     
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    The UK are producing monthly reports showing that data and is showing that for those under 50 the vaccine is giving 90-95% reduction in deaths and hospitilisation when compared to the unvaccinated
     
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    That's reassuring. Unfortunately, it appears our COVID experts and CDC aren't big on learning from other countries' learning curves. I don't know why they have to do things the hard way but they do it all the time.
     
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    Kim said their Covid stoppage was the best in the world!

    And their media had to all nod in agreement with him or be shot dead and thrown into a ditch.

    Oh! South Korea, whoops! Don't they have that new socialist president?
     
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    but then why do they support Regeneron?

    it's more experimental than the vaccine is it not?
     
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    Gov DeathSentence is too lackwitted to comprehend the ELEMENTARY concept that PREVENTION is always better than having to TREAT someone AFTER they are sick.

    Sad!
     
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    Governor Deathsentence makes Trump look smart.:icon_picknose:
     
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    Orange Jesus' stupidity is contagious, apparently.
     
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    There is a Pandemic of Stupidity that is way more contagious and life threatening than the virus itself.
     
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    Actually, I get my information from my wife, the critical care nurse who has been treating COVID patients since the start of the pandemic, I leave the vomiting to folks like you
     
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    Is there any vaccine hesitant PF member who has given fetal cell line use as a reason to not be vaccinated? I haven’t seen it. This whole issue seems manufactured for political reasons to me. I doubt 1% of Republicans or Democrats are even aware of how often fetal cell lines are used in the majority of vaccine development and manufacturing and numerous drugs and medical technologies as well. The only time anyone cares is when someone tries to score political points. Why shouldn’t anyone support Regen-Cov? Your own link discloses Remdesivir was tested in fetal cell lines. Why were you or others not outraged that Republicans weren’t refusing that treatment? What about dexamethasone? It’s been extensively tested in fetal cell lines and is routinely used to manipulate them. It’s also widely used to treat Covid. Where’s the outrage from anti abortion advocates or your outrage that a Republican would use dexamethasone?

    This is just a cheap shot media cooked up. Don’t fall for it. It’s a non-issue.
    Of course not. Monoclonal antibodies were first approved/licensed by the FDA 30 years ago. They have been used regularly since then. There had never been an adenovirus vector vaccine licensed until 2019. No mRNA vaccine has ever been licensed for human use.
     
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    I get my information from treating respiratory disease for decades in multiple species and from empirical evidence gathered by researching peer reviewed studies. Everything I post is verifiably correct. Much of what is posted even by claimed healthcare professionals here is not correct information.

    Appeal to authority is a very dangerous game with Covid. Those most trusted because of their credentials have been the least correct and least honest.

    If you are interested in the truth about this product check out post #73. If you want more information I can provide you links to more. Not links to Yahoo. LOL Links to peer reviewed studies and sanctioned trials.
     
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    DeSantis Derangement Syndrome is an opportunistic infection apparently.
     
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    FIRST 14-DAY Case Hospitaliztion Rate since Florida Hospital Association started reporting Daily Covid Confirmed Hospital Admissions

    Aug 16; 2,125
    Aug 15; 2,120
    Aug 14; 2,220
    Aug 13; 2,347
    Aug 12; 2,305
    Aug 11; 2,338
    Aug 10; 2,294
    Aug 09; 2,083
    Aug 08; 2,064
    Aug 07; 2,179
    Aug 06; 2,208
    Aug 05; 2,149
    Aug 04; 2,112
    Aug 03; 2,106

    Total 14-Day Covid Confirmed Hospital Admissions; 30,677

    https://www.fha.org/covid-19.html

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    Florida Department of Health Daily Cases..........NOT CDC!

    Aug 02; 16,978
    Aug 01; 16,998
    Jul 31; 21,683
    Jul 30; 17,093
    Jul 29; 17,589
    Jul 28; 16,037
    Jul 27; 12,775
    Jul 26; 12,773
    Jul 25; 12,703
    Jul 24; 14,258
    Jul 23; 13,256
    Jul 22; 12,647
    Jul 21; 8,988
    Jul 20; 8,012

    Total Daily Cases over 14 Days; 201,790

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Florida

    Florida Case Hospitalization Rate; 30,677 divided by 201,790% = 15.2%

    NOTE: If infected, there's a 5% chance you'll be on a ventilator, or admitted in ICU

    NOTE: Pandemic average days from infection to hospitalization; 14 days........symptoms start to show 4/5/6 days from being infected, and severity of covid illness increases to the point of requiring hospitalization.

    NOTE: All Florida Health Numbers!

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    NOTE: There's an idiot on this site who will respond by saying ''We can't use percentages when calculating a rate;

    For anyone's info; Florida Health uses percentages when calculating Case Fatality RATES.........See page 8, Covid Weekly Situation Report

    http://ww11.doh.state.fl.us/comm/_partners/covid19_report_archive/covid19-
     
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    The poster is/was unaware the vaccines were tested in fetal lines. She did not mention vaccines at all. So how could vaccine refusal due to fetal line testing be the point? LOL
     
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    and yet you just did it.

    My wife has been administering the product for that last year plus, I again am good with relying on her experiences since I am not in the medical field

    Thanks for your offer though.
     
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    We know where he gets it from

     
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    No. Empirical evidence, not appeal to authority. I never encourage anyone to believe what I say because of who I am. I want you and everyone else to make your decisions on my posts and Covid on empirical evidence. My posts stand because they are correct, not based on my experience.
    It’s your choice. If you think I’m vomiting misinformation why don’t you get your wife to fact check me? Administering a product does not necessarily mean one knows much about it. Many people in my world administer drugs and vaccines they have little understanding of. I’m not saying doing so is bad, I’m just pointing out the fallacy of believing someone is an authority or knowledgeable about something they use just because they use it.
     
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    When Trump was given Regeneron monoclonal antibodies and lived, the product was destined to be hated by at least half the country. Even Biden’s efforts to get it into people who need it will not overcome that hate. It’s sad, but it’s the world we now live in.
     
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    Because it is part of the abortion argument! You must have a short memory if you cannot remember all the posts about aborted fetuses being used to develop the vaccine. I can't help you if you cannot see the obvious link
    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/06/abortion-opponents-protest-covid-19-vaccines-use-fetal-cells
     
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    Hesitancy by the Catholic Church in June 2020 before any vaccines had EUA? LOL

    Try this.
    https://www.cacatholic.org/CCC-vaccine-moral-acceptability

    You’ve probably missed the fact some of the biggest vaccine proponents here on PF are Catholic? I’m no fan of abortion but not Catholic and I have no objection to the vavccines, monoclonal antibodies, remdesivir, or dexamethasone, all of which use fetal lines in testing.

    Again, this is a complete non-issue in reality. It’s a fabricated politically motivated drama.
     
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    I'll take your word for. I'm not watching that. ;-) I don't even live there and your threads about his nonsense are getting on my nerves (not you, his wanna-be-a-dictator stupidity).
     
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