Donald Trump Responds to New Criminal Charges in Special Counsel Investigation

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  1. Noone

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    Traitor tRump is a dangerous Adderall addled narcissistic psychopath.
     
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    At least you've started to look into it instead of just taking the word of FOX or random people on the Internet.

    Unfortunately your research came up a little short. That interview was from 2006 and talks about an EO (13292) put out by Bush in 2003

    What you didn't find out is that there was an EO (13526) put out by Obama in 2009 that supersedes the Bush EO

    In that EO section 1.3 is changed as follows

    Sec. 1.3. Classification Authority. (a) The authority to classify information originally may be exercised only by:

    (1) the President and the Vice President


    Removing the phrase "in the performance of executive duties". Under the new EO the Vice President has the same powers as the President to classify and/or declassify material.
     
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    Thanks for the further update. Now, could you research to find out if it is fine for the vp to remove CI and store it in unsecured locations like the garage next to the Corvette? Or College centers where CCCP has funded and has limited access to?
     
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    As soon as you tell me if it’s OK for an ex President to store CI in a country club where KNOWN Russian operatives have been. If it’s OK for said ex president to keep materials that belong to the government even AFTER having been asked for them TWICE and then have his lawyers sign a statement saying there are no more materials only to have the FBI serve a valid search warrant and find even MORE government materials.
     
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    If I recall, authorities knew of Trumps documents and requested he give them additional security with new locks, which he did. I didn't see any security in Bidens garage.
     
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    Now we have special anonymous sources that can provide information on sealed federal documents?
    Which in turn generates more criminal charges assumptions?
    And people really still fall for this stuff after being embarrassed hundreds of times when it never happens?
    I find this amazing.

    I thought people only ran up the hill twice to find there was no wolf. Now it seems more like Pavlov's dogs.
     
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    I don't recall that. If that had been the case then what was the point of the FBI search warrant?
    Also a "new locks" is not the kind of security you give CI. Plus some of that material was found in a drawer in his desk, not with the rest of it.
    To try and compare what Trump did to what Biden did is laughable.
     
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    It's not a case of falling for the same stuff.
    This is new stuff. That's how it is with Trump. Just as you think you've hit the bottom of the barrel with his behavior you then find there is a another layer below that.
     
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    Fake News. NDA'a are not illegal.

    If Trump instructed his lawyer to lie in the docs case, he'll be indicted for obstruction and it will be a very easy to explain case. His lawyer has been compelled to testify per the faud exemption of attorney client privilege, and given all the leaks when the information paints Trump negatively, if his attorney testifies that Trump did, we will probably learn that, same day, if his attorney testifies that he didn't, then it might take longer.
     
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    Anonymous sources claiming they know what classified or sealed documents state, then making up a story on how this will get Trump is new stuff?
    Did you just get into the political arena or are you knowingly just making this up?

    Yet for over 7 years, with all the lefts whining and accusations of hundreds of criminal claims, remind us again how many indictment's or charges there have been against Trump? Would that number be ZERO?

    Maybe your post should read,
    That's how it is with the left. Just as you think you've hit the bottom of the barrel with this behavior you then find there is a another criminal claim from another anonymous source below that.
     
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    Against Trump? Zero
    Against the people in Trump's inner circle? More than any President except for Nixon. (and Nixon served part of a 2nd term)

    Where there is smoke there is usually fire.

    First of all we have the Office of Legal Counsel 1973 Memorandum saying that you cannot indict a sitting President...so Trump was shielded for 4 of the last 7 years.
    Second an ex President has never been indicted before so we are treading on untrodden ground. Those people looking to indict Trump are being cautious (too cautious in my opinion) and making sure every T is crossed and every I is dotted.
    Third Trump has spent YEARS working the legal system. He knows exactly how to slow it down and try to wait it out. His lawyers are getting sanctioned left and right for the frivolous lawsuits and his appeals are being laughed out of court. But even having your appeals laughed out of court takes time and that is what Trump is counting on.

    If you honestly think that the lack of indictment against Trump is because he has done nothing wrong then I can tell you is to be prepared to be disappointed. Trump IS going to get indicted. He IS going to trial on some of this stuff.

    I'm going to stop short of saying he will be convicted because all it takes is one MAGA moron on a jury to make sure that doesn't happen.
     
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    You mean charges of old tax fraud and claiming they lied to FBI agents.
    This is the nothing burger you wanted to use?

    Shielded from being indicted, not charged. I bet you don't know the difference.


    Just, OMG, WoW. This is what they sold you on 7 years of a batting average of 0 for 20,000? I's and T's being crossed?
    How about (And I'm just spit balling here)
    Not allowing a NY DA try and bring federal charges on federal crimes
    Or maybe
    Realizing that not only can a NY DA NOT bring federal charges, but the federal crimes he is trying to charge for are 2 years out of the statute of limitations.
    Or Maybe
    Realizing the feds dropped that case years ago when they received the testimony of Stormy Daniels who has provide in writing, that she never had any sexual relations with Trump to begin with.
    Or Maybe
    Realizing the ONLY witness they have has already been convicted of falsifying documents and testimony to the FBI, and had his licensed revoked.
    Or Maybe
    The best indication is the NY DA has to keep postponing his own grand jury over and over because they won't give him an indictment on a charge that is way out of the statute of limitations, and a federal charge he couldn't even prosecute if he wanted to.

    Hows that for dotting I's.

    And blah blah blah blah
    Either Trump is the worlds smartest criminal, or the idiots chasing him are the dumbest on the planet.
    You can't have it both ways.

    You don't have the history, evidence, or credibility to make a statement like that.
    You have no clue but are willing to post anything without a hint of what you're talking about
     
  13. Izzy

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    You'd think that after his ex-attorney Michael Cohen he would know how it works.
    Trump really is stupid.

    George Conway
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    Trump: You know, I always used to think that, uh, attorneys really had a very high status in life that when you had an attorney, the attorneys can't be subpoenaed. They can't be summoned to talk..
     
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    Poster @ emptywheel got it so right about Patel.
    "An ongoing stench".

    "There’s an ongoing stench of this to Patel, with him blustering to people “Do you know who I am? Do you know who I report to?”




    'KASH’S CASTLES OF SCATTER AND EVAN CORCORAN’S BCC'
    March 25, 2023/11 Comments/in 2020 Presidential Election, Leak Investigations /by emptywheel

    "More than seven months after seemingly threatening to sue the National Archives because Mark Meadows and Donald Trump ****ed up their effort to declassify the Russian investigation documents, John Solomon finally did sue on March 21, represented by the America First Legal Foundation — Stephen Miller’s gig.

    I’d be shocked if the lawsuit went anywhere.


    That’s because NARA General Counsel Gary Stern provided Kash and Solomon with the explanation of what happened with the attempted declassification over and over and over. First, Trump didn’t declassify the documents. He ordered the binder of Crossfire Hurricane documents be sent to the Attorney General, who would implement the final declassifications, then send the document back to the White House.

    I have directed the Attorney General to implement the redactions proposed in the FBI’s January 17 submission and return to the White House an appropriately redacted copy.

    Then the next day, January 20, 2021, Mark Meadows sent all that to the Attorney General to conduct a Privacy Act review before releasing anything.

    As Stern explained to Kash and Solomon, what remained at the White House at that point was a collection of 2,700 “undifferentiated pages,” a cursory review of which revealed conflicting redactions and some documents lacking the requisite declassification stamp"



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    Last fall I read that there was security footage from MAL that showed Patel moving boxes from the storage area.
    I never saw the claim again and have only read about the one guy who was on video moving boxes and testified not truthfully then supposedly did.
    I'm curious if Patel is on video and the some kind of immunity he got for testifying is connected?
    Did he give up Trump to save his own ass?
    If he did though wouldn't Trump know?

    I never read any kind of explanations why Patel got immunity, the news came and went.

    I think they're still as thick as thieves with Solomon, the other lying sleazebag swinging from their coat-tails


    "As the correspondence Solomon released with the lawsuit reveals, Evan Corcoran initiated this process, on June 17, 2022,
    informing Stern that “because of his schedule” on June 17 and 18, he would sign a letter designating Kash and Solomon NARA representatives on June 19, after which the two wanted to immediately (Solomon explained in reply) get access to the Russian documents.

    Because of his schedule today and tomorrow, former President Donald J. Trump will sign a letter on Sunday afternoon, June 19, 2022, informing the Acting Archivist of the United States that he has designated Kash Patel and John Solomon (copied) to be his NARA representatives.

    I will transmit that letter to the Archivist and you (and John Laster) via email when I receive it.

    Kash and John would like to begin work reviewing documents at the Archives on Tuesday, June 21, 2022.

    I will leave it to the three of you to work out logistics (and feel free to move me to bcc)

    Think about that! By April 29, Corcoran was the guy with whom Stern was coordinating on the FBI request for access to the documents Trump belatedly returned in January 2021. On May 5, Corcoran asked to access what had been returned and on the very same day — the search affidavit notes — Kash claimed that not just the Russian documents had been declassified, but a bunch of other documents had too. On May 11, FBI subpoenaed Trump for remaining classified documents. On June 3, Corcoran provided just a subset of the remaining documents.

    And then, two weeks after participating in a shell game to facilitate withholding classified documents, Corcoran contacted Stern to arrange fairly urgent access for Kash and Solomon to the materials he had first asked to access in May."


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    So, this is an interesting question. My opinion, based on Manafort, Flynn et al, given that they appeared to be coordinating with a legal pool of lawyers under one main umbrella - Trump, they may give enough "spin" to get a deal but not bury the principle. We have seen that with the legal "team" Cassidy Hutchinson started with but severed 100%. She ultimately got a lawyer totally unrelared to the principle and the principle's team could no longer control the truth, reshape it or aviod it altogether. The principle's lawyers are all walking a tight rope to protect him and keep themselves from prison.
     
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    That's exactly what took place with Michael Cohen.
    He and Trump had a "mutual defense agreement" until they didn't and the rest is history.
    Patel is involved in every level of Trump's stolen classified documents and hopefully all his spin will end up getting him indicted.
     
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