Egyptian helicopter invades Israel's airspace

In Islamic culture blaming Jews is the answer to everything.

 

It seems that you are the one who is doing the blaming.

 

You should get off that moral high horse you use for a soap box and learn a bit about history i.e.;

Hamas vows to try to kidnap more IDF soldiers - Haaretz Daily ...
www.haaretz.com/.../hamas-vows-to-try-to-kidnap-more-idf-soldiers-...
Oct 21, 2011 – Meshal says Hamas won't stop kidnapping efforts until 'all of our ... seen in Israel since he was taken captive by Hamas in a cross-border raid in.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/hamas-vows-to-try-to-kidnap-more-idf-soldiers-1.6797

Captured Israeli Soldier Moved from Gaza to Egypt
bigpeace.com/stzu/.../captured-israeli-soldier-israeli-moved-to-egypt/
Oct 17, 2011 – ... Gaza Strip (AP) – Hamas militants whisked a captured Israeli soldier ... Committees, helped captured Schalit in a June 2006 cross-border ...

http://bigpeace.com/stzu/2011/10/17/captured-israeli-soldier-israeli-moved-to-egypt/

Rev A

 

You missed the point. If Israelis stayed behind Israel borders without holding Palestinians as hostages, then hamas would look really stupid if it captured an Israeli soldier for no reason.

 

No I was pointing out that history demonstrates that junobet is wrong, or at least not telling the entire story. Those links were evidence that pro Arab forces invade Israel for the express purpose to inflict harm on the Israelis. more than likely they (Hamas etc) will again kidnap or attack across boarders. It works both ways. One can not expect for a nation (Israel) to tolerate rockets fired from a neighboring country. The only way to stop those rockets is to put boots on the ground or to carpet bomb. I think the former is more humanitarian than the latter. It seems like many pro Arab sympathizers think that Israel should not do anything at all about the rocket attacks.

Rev A

 

I bet you wish you had been born during the reign of the Nazi's!

They too had as much regard for human life other than there own as your good self! But then again, they were racists!!!

But your Nazi Zionists and AIPAC supporters and Judas's will need to do for the moment!
You idealism beggar's belief!

But your racism flows naturally!

Regards
Highlander

 

So, what you are saying is that you hate, blame and condemn Semites because the thought of Israelis living in Israel utterly horrifies you. It is pointless blaming the hated Semites while Israel continues expanding illegal settlements.

Holocausts are not acceptable means of dealing with hated Semites.

 

IT has nothing to do with love or hate.......that's a cop out, a deflection and deception from the truth!

Was the holocaust about Jews? Or was it akin to a tool previously invented by Churchill and used initially in South Africa!

Regards
Highlander

 

If Israel behaved itself and respected its obligations under the Charter to which it is a signatory, there would be no need for Palestinian resistance. Or do you think the rockets are fired because they have nothing better to do?

 

How do you distinguish between Palestinians held hostage and those inprisoned for legitimate reasons?

 

Flower-picking is not a "legitimate reason" for holding hated Semites as hostages. Israel needs to free the hostages.

The Israeli legal system seems to work differently from the West, where the West places criminals behind bars while Israel rewards criminals by electing them into positions like prime minister. Take, for example, Sharon. Instead of placing him behind bars for murdering the innocent, Israelis rewarded his crimes by electing him as prime minister where he was able to murder many more hated Semites.

 

Well, granting prisoners a fair trial rather than holding them under "administrative detention" without one would be a start.
I'm sure as a defender of our noble Western values you'd agree that the latter practice is despicable.

 

So was Samir Kuntar flower picking?

I don't think you can conclude that the Israeli legal system is essentially different from the rest of the West however I do agree that Sharon was a terrorist and should have been treated as such.

 

Did Samir Kuntar get a fair trial?

Israel is not the only Western country which has or currently practices administrative detention, Denmark among them. This wopuld perhaps suggest it is difficult in certain circumstances to avoid however regretable it is?

 

Not all of the Palestinian hostages picked flowers. Yet, Samir Kuntar would be an Israeli prime minister by now if he was a member of the Likud party. Those who performed crimes on one side are viewed as being heros by the other, and this makes it all the more difficult to determine which crimes are needed for candidates to win votes, or who should go to jail for crimes that they didn't do. As such, it is best to simply release the hostages while focusing on accepting the other nation.

 

Should I assume then that by hostages you mean Palestinians whose actions would be regarded as heroic if they were done in support of Israel, according to Likud party members/the Israeli electorate? Does the same go for other conflicts, such as Kurds/Turkey, Tamils/Sri Lanka?

 

For some hostages, yes, but not all, as well as the US government which viewed the cold blooded murder of maybe up to 140'000 civilians using nuclear weapons as being an act of great pride and honor. I wonder what the US government would say if Israel or Palestine tried a similar effort with the supposed help of Iran? A common US argument is that nuclear weapons end wars and thus save lives. I wonder if this argument still holds any water today:

Did the dropping of the atomic bomb save lives?
Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Did_the_dropping_of_the_atomic_bomb_save_lives#ixzz1dZ8z31N0

Iran Will Have Nuclear Weapons by 2008
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2006/12/11/204349.shtml

 

I see so basically you're saying everyone is as guilty as each other so there's no distinction and everyone held is to be considered a hostage. Where does that leave Israelis sentenced by their own courts to prison for taking Palestinians hostage? Should they be released too? Should all Americans serving prison sentences be released since their government generations ago dropped atomic bombs on Japan?

 

I find that both sides should release the hostages who are citizens of another nation, while focusing on accepting the other nation instead. Taking citizens of the other nation as hostages simply because one rejects the other nation is unproductive.

 

So Abdullah Ocalan and all the other Kurds held hostage in Turkey, Syria, Iran and Iraq should be released and those nations should accept the Kurdish nation? Zvi Struk the Israeli held by his own nation for hostage taking, on the other hand should stay in prison, right?

 

I don't understand why some are making a fuss about Kurdistan. Accepting Kurdistan won't kill anyone.

 

I take that as an affirmative answer. So is there any limit to this acceptance of nations? Tak for example The Arabs in Khuzestan should Iran accept their Arabstan nation and release all Arab "hostages" they hold? Should the Philippines accet an Abu Sayyaf nation and release all "hostages"? What determines whether a nation should accept another nation particularly on disputed territories?

 

The nation of Palestine is unique because its citizens are only nationals of its nation and none other. Kurdistan makes sense, but I fear that the involved nations would rather murder innocent civilians than to allow it to happen. Abu Sayyaf, as it stands right now, is far to criminal to make a difference.

 

I think we have a different notion of what constitutes the Palestinian nation. I include all those who identify themselves as Palestinians and many of them are citizens of other nations. So the determining factor is "what makes sense". I think that needs a little elaboration if it is going to be an objective criteria.

You have already dismissed criminality as a factor so that does not invalidate accepting an Abu Sayyaf nation. BTW. in what way is Abu Sayyaf more criminal than the Palestinians?

 

Some may also be citizens of other nations, but no Palestinians in the nation of Palestine are Israeli citizens and thus the nation of Palestine is most certainly not a part of Israel and Israel has no claim over a region inhabited with citizens of other nations.

The difference could not be more extreme. Abbas works for peace and non-violence, while Abu Sayyaf works for terror and violence. Abbas is like Mandela fighting against apartheid while Abu Sayyaf is like Likud prior to when Israel became a nation. Likud is nothing but a politically correct variation of Abu Sayyaf resulting from US recognition of Israel.