Einstein's error (like most other non-believers

God tells israel in genesis?? Genesis is way before any israel.

 

Smart guy that god. Invents sin, and then hates it.

 

Where did I write God tells Israel? I was just pointing out that the passage in Gen. 27:29 was a foretelling of what was to come, it was a prophecy. God chose Jacob (whom He later renamed “Israel&#8221 to be the father of His chosen people, the Israelites. And so that passage was the blessings that Jacob (Israel) received.

 

He didn't invent (create) sin. Sin entered the world because of our first parents who disobeyed God explains why there is sin. If they had obeyed everything God told them then there would have been no sins in the world.

So people are to blame for the sins they commit. When you don't obey God's laws, you are sinning. God is not responsible for your sins...you are. Everyone knows what is right and what is wrong. If you choose to do wrong, you have sinned...simple as that.

 

I agree that "god"did not invent sin. People invented god and sin.

However, if there ware such a god as you imagine, all powerful, creator of the universe,, dont pretend he didnt invent everything.

Of course people are responsible for what they do.

But that doesnt change the fact that by the "christian god", everything came into existence. He knew all that would happen, and deliberately set things up
so that they would happen just as they do.

But ok, if you think he / she / it made everything but didnt make everything, fine, your cog. dis. not mine; and welcome to it.

 

That's just your belief. What are you basing your belief on? What evidences do you have that has convinced you of His non-existence?

I disagree with your belief. I believe God does exist. Since God is not visible to the human eye, there can be no 'direct' proof of Him. However He has provided clues to His existence and nature both in creation and in the human beings He has made.

Above all, He has given a perfect revelation of Himself in the Person of His Son, Jesus Christ. Added to these evidences, there is the witness of the Bible, and the testimony of those who have come to know God, as they have believed in His Son.

 

Gen. 27:29 tells Israel, copied from your post. Go read it again.

 

He created all existence, but He didn't create what actions people take, the good or evil that people do. Everyone is a free agent meaning you are solely responsible for what you do, whether it be good deeds or evil wicked deeds.

He did not create us to be puppets, we have the ability to choose, just like He has given everyone the ability to believe in Him or to not believe in Him.

I have chosen to believe in Him and you have chosen to not believe in Him. He hasn't forced me to believe in Him and He hasn't forced you to not believe in Him. We were free to make our own individual choices.

 

Then why are there so many christians trying to force their beliefs on the country in the form of laws if we are free to choose?

 

According to you, God created everything, including the conditions that would give rise to sin. And if he can tell the future, as you claim, then he should have known from the very beginning that Adam and Eve would disobey him. So if he sets the starting conditions, and he knows everything that will result from those starting conditions, then I would say that he is responsible, at least in some part for the existence of sin. And don't give me any that 'free will' stuff. Firstly, you've always made a big deal about the various prophecies in the Bible that supposedly came true, and prophecies don't work if you have free will. Secondly, free will is meaningless without knowledge, and sin is meaningless with knowledge of good and evil. So I would contend that God as described in the Bible doesn't care about free will at all, as we didn't have it an any meaningful capacity at the start of Genesis. Adam and Eve didn't know the difference between good and evil before eating the fruit, and so it makes no sense whatever to blame them for their actions.

But also a more fundamental question. Why does God get to be the ultimate moral authority? For the sake of argument, let's say that he exists, and that all the events outlined in the Bible are true. But even if I grant you all of that, that's still not enough to prove that God's ideas of right and wrong are any better than anything I could come up with. Power doesn't imply correctness.

 

That's some sick thinking.

 

If he created all existence then he created the neurons in everyone's brains, and all of the things in the universe that stimulate those neurons. He should take responsibility for all of the things that result from the neural system he created processing the input he provided.

 

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