Everyone Calls it a Baby When She's Not Having an Abortion

It happens, believe it or not. Google it if you don't believe me.

 

"Everyone Calls it a Baby When She's Not Having an Abortion"

they say she is going to have a baby as in the future...

 

Well, to be fair the sad fact is you do get the occasional story about some really fat lady who didn't know she was pregnant until she goes into labor in a Wal-Mart or something.

The question I'm curious to know your answer to before I reply to the rest of your last post to me is do you think that matters? Should a mother be able to say "ooop, my water just broke, somebody kill this 'lil sum(*)(*)(*)(*)(*) fast before it gets out." just because she didn't know?

Same question for Pasithea

 

I just get the feeling that liberals and conservatives are really the same thing and just messing with me. The liberal wants to eliminate the unborn but is vehemently opposed to eliminating the adult. The conservative is opposed to eliminating the unborn but is statistically OK with eliminating the adult. WTF? Why not eliminate them all and any others who want assisted suicide? Economics is a discipline that formally defines a micro and a macro level. A micro level is what makes ME better. A macro level is what makes the Earth better? Start thinking on a macro level and you will see that abortion is OK, capital punishment is OK and assisted suicide is OK. Religion and humanity are "feel good" microlevel thought processes.

 

lol you find me one woman who has ever demanded for an abortion during delivery. I mean really, the hypotheticals lifers come up with are just ridiculous!

But if I shall make my position clear, I am 100% in favor of removing all laws regarding abortion nationally and worldwide if possible.

 

Fine then .. for the.000234 % of women who are pregnant for 6 months and do not know it .. they are not stupid.

For the other 99.999766 % of women who do know they are pregnant and wait 6 months .. they are stupid

 

Nope ... once a human has come into existence by reasonable standards the it should not be killed.

 

Jesus, you're just as bad as lifers insulting women's personal choices without really knowing anything about their circumstances. =/

 

Well, you have to ask. Most pro-choicers haven't really thought their position through. They just know that if some life form is darkening their spring break plans they want it dead.

But they simultaniously and usually pretty firmly believe that it would be horribly wrong for a mother to get tired of their baby and strangling them after they've brought it home, and she should be punished for that. They just haven't tried to reconcile those two views.

So, for the sake of figuring out your position in this for discussion, could you confirm the presumtion that you don't support parents killing their children in general? If you always support a mothers right to execute one of her kids we'd have a rather different discussion.

If you don't support that, than could you say exactly how far the baby has to travel down the birth canal before it instantly converts from a lump of molecules to supremely precious human life?

What are your reasonable standards? Is it based on age or a particular milestone or action? Does it change with the quality of neonatal care availible?

At a national fiscal level there are plenty of people one could kill for profit.

 

Come on .. it is very rare for a woman to be pregnant 6 months and not know it.

For a woman to know she is pregnant for 5 months and "then" decide to have an abortion is simpleminded.

 

I covered this ?

If it does not have significant brain function the entity is not a living human.

 

agreed

and what freedom does the baby have other than freedom to be killed?

 

None at all.

 

so in the end, we're left with a dead baby and you're perfectly fine with that. OK, I understand your position

 

You know a lot can happen within a few months. Peoples lives can and do drastically change all the time within short time spans. It is really not your place or anyone else's to say to a woman, "Well sucks to be you, you waited too long and now you HAVE to give birth to it, " when she just lost her job, or her husband just died and she has other children she needs to look after and isn't prepared to care for one more without the aid of her spouse. There are so many reasons, perfectly normal and logical and non-medical reasons why a woman may want or even need to end her pregnancy in the third trimester.

Who are you to sit here and judge them and say they are simpleminded just because the circumstances in their life changed drastically overnight?

 

In a nutshell, yes. It's not pretty, but much of life isn't. Get used to it.

 

Your question is based on a fallacy .. unsupported premise.

What valid support do you have for your premise that a "baby" exists in the early stages of pregnancy ?

I completely support the right of a baby not to be killed.

The problem with your argument is that you have not shown that a baby exists in the early stages of pregnancy.

Fact: A zygote is a single human cell

How do you figure this is a living human or even similar to a living human such that it should have the same rights?

 

Not all are simpleminded .. just the vast majority.

This is not a "gosh" my life circumstances have changed so I do not want a baby anymore type of decision.

If you do not realize that the thing inside you will soon become a human .. you are simpleminded .. and if you do not realize that once it becomes a human, termination is not such a simple matter .. you are either simpleminded or without conscience.

And yes .. if a woman waits too long .. a living human exists inside her by any reasonable standards of most pro choicers such as myself.

There is a big difference between a clump of human cells on its way to something and a congnisant human. IMO people who do not realize this (aka most lifers) are simpleminded.

 

A living human exists within her from conception and onward. If it is not human before the third trimester then what is it? A puppy?

 

You think that just because something is not a puppy that it is a living human ?

A human heart cell is not a puppy but it is not a living human either.

A zygote is a single human cell.

Please explain to me how you figure that a single human cell is a living human ? or even similar to a living human .. ??

 

I certainly believe there is a difference between what is human and what is a human PERSON. A fetus only becomes a human PERSON at birth, never before.

 

please enlighten me on the fallacy.................is the death part, you know d e a d or k i l l e d part incorrect. Are you saying you now support life? Or, do you still approve of the killings?

please explain the fallacy about how dead is not dead

 

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Unfortunately there millions of dead babies worldwide every single day. Personally I would much rather put time money and effort into saving the ones that are here and not worrying about the ones that might never have been.

 

If abortion causes a death, then why is no death certificate issued?

 

I gave you the fallacy "unsupported premise" (assumed premise)

You have yet to explain how a single human cell (aka - the zygote) .. qualifies as a living human.