Everyone Calls it a Baby When She's Not Having an Abortion

Cady said,

No woman thinks of her unborn as a fetus, nothing potential about it. It's a child from the beginning. No one says….geeze I am pregnant for nothing now but in nine months after I give birth I am gonna have a baby. LMAO If it was nothing…a woman would not mention it to anyone. Mothers anticipate hearing the heart beat, the ultrasound…feeling it kick. And that happened…because that which is in the WOMB IS HUMAN AND ALIVE.

And no use for the knives that disect its small body either.

Why don't you use the correct terms in your post. Abortionist-hired person to do the KILLING. HAVE YOU EVER ONCE SAID….THE WORD KILL IN REFERENCE TO ABORTION? I don't think you have…you run from that one. LOL Killing is accurate to describe abortion wouldn't you say?

Your position is cold. Cant say what I want to describe you…so will leave it at that. Just use your imagination, you have got a good one.






Accurate and specific terminology is not lying and abortion is not murder. It is lying to say this is a baby:


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One could also say don't have sex with a woman if you don't want to get her pregnant.

 

Takes two to Tango and you did NOT have to have sex with the child's mother and you did NOT have to "forget" to use a condom.

Now THIS thread is about abortion not the lack of adequate and effective male contraception

Though I often think that the REAL reason why men do not have more than a couple of simple options for contraception - it is because it would end up like a set of car keys - they would have to first search the house looking for them, then pick up the wrong ones, only to end with the woman sorting it out anyway!!

 

IT WAS HER BODY HER DECISION. IT IS HER RESPONSIBILITY NOT HIS.You pro-aborts say…its her decision because its her body…so it could not be his fault. She took the risk and should have protected herself. Come on lay responsibility where it belongs. The father unfortunately is not an issue….so says the pro-choice/abort side. Oh wait….the money part is his responsibility whether or not he wants the child or not. Men have their hands ties either way.

You talk about the keys….LMAO

Maybe men would be more responsible….CAUSE WOMEN SURE ARE NOT….OR WE WOULD NOT BE TALKING ABOUT ABORTION AT ALL. How about the woman who abort because they can't remember who impregnated them?

 

Being a woman, I would hope you understand the vast difference regarding pregnancy between a man and a woman, and how the situations are not the slightest bit equal. It takes an equal act to cause conception, followed by a completely unequal act of the mother alone carrying the child within her body, connected to her body, for 9 months(assuming no complications). Once the child is born, things are equal again, but it is during that 9 month period where things are never equal, and never will be, until men are physiologically able to bear children themselves. It is for this reason that I believe women ought to have the final say regarding what's happening inside her body. She bears the entire burden of pregnancy for it's entire duration(and by burden, I am not speaking about the child, for those who had their fingers primed to fire back some kind of semantics reply. I am speaking here of the physical, mental, and emotional effects during and after a pregnancy).

To expect a woman to do that while having absolutely no say in her body is just plain ludicrous. It's hubris, it's selfishness. Give women a choice. If they choose to keep it, that's 100% A-okay. If they choose to abort, that should always be their decision to make, and theirs alone.

 

Ha! That sort of argument, which is called a "Straw man" BTW, has not worked since kindergarten. Yes, it WAS her decision and if she had used a Turkey Baster to inject donated sperm then it would have been totally her decision - from the post she did not.

Well, I have never heard that said but that is not surprising since I have never met a "pro-abort"

The man can and should choose who to inseminate - it should not be a matter of spraying seeds into the winds and crying because he has to pay maintenance for his actions. It is very very simple - they want sex - they take precautions or pay the price

Men should be more responsible but there also should be more options for the male in the form of male contraceptives. As for the last mythical person - once again there is this attempt to paint the woman having an abortion as "no better than she should be". Perhaps the reason why she does not know who the father is is because she has been on the street since she was 12 and is now controlled by a pimp who has been generating a drug habit in her while selling her on the street. You want to stop abortion - do something about those poor young girls Treat the disease not the symptom and abortion is only a symptom of societal disease. Treating the disease involves more than getting onto the internet and complaining about loose morals in women

 

Bowerbird said,

You feminists just want your cake and eat it too. It's all everyone else's fault but your own. The poor helpless woman…in her quest for sexual fulfillment ends up pregnant …not because of anything she did (((((sigh))))))))but because her partner forced her to spread her legs in a loving act of pure ecstasy. As a result….((((back of hand over forehead)))) a pregnancy happens..and she is trapped. Trapped…not by anything she did that resulted in the mess she got herself into but… because society places such a burden on her that she had to do whatever she did…and now abortion is the only answer…..(((((sigh)))))). She is forced…into making this tough tough heart wrenching decision. Blah blah blah. Excuses…

Bowerbird….meet Bowerbird the pro-abort….the one who does not want ANY protection for the unborn….NONE….who stands in the line with those who choose to look away because she belongs in that line. This line has magic markers…they use to paint bulls eyes…on every unborn in the womb.

The man can choose…but his body is not the issue…the woman's body was created to be able to make children. Both can have sex…but only the woman can give birth and she needs the sperm. It is her decision…to take the risk. There is no risk for the man…none because HIS BODY WILL NOT BE AFFECTED. The pro-abort side…says the man is not the issue…the woman calls the shots. And if she calls the shots then its her responsibility whatever happens.



"Men should be more responsible but there also should be more options for the male in the form of male contraceptives. As for the last mythical person - once again there is this attempt to paint the woman having an abortion as "no better than she should be". Perhaps the reason why she does not know who the father is is because she has been on the street since she was 12 and is now controlled by a pimp who has been generating a drug habit in her while selling her on the street. You want to stop abortion - do something about those poor young girls Treat the disease not the symptom and abortion is only a symptom of societal disease. Treating the disease involves more than getting onto the internet and complaining about loose morals in women"

Male contraception is not the issue…the point. It's her body…her invitation to sex…her responsibility….not his. BAsed on the pro-abort position this should be true. You pro-aborts always bring up scenarios that have nothing to do with the masses..of those getting abortions. The majority of those getting abortions…are they hookers? No…just women having unprotected casual sex.

 

That's right .. and one of the responsibile things to do if a woman accidentally gets pregnent is to have an abortion.

 

Yup. If you carry a pregnancy all the way through, that's what you'll have.​

 

You are confusing two separate questions.

The first is the decision to have sex. People have sex all the time without wanting or deciding to have a baby.

The decision to have a baby is a separate question and one only the woman can make. The man has no say in this decision. The man can not force the woman to have the baby nor can he stop her.

If we desire a society where freedom of reproductive choice is up to the invidual and not the state, (As in Abortion), then that choice must free for all.

If the State can not force a woman to have a woman to have the child then the state should not be forcing that choice upon the man.

If the woman chooses to have a child and the man does not consent, this is not the man's choice but the womans choice.

Freedom of reproductive choice includes the right to decide not to have a child.

 

Now wanting protection for the unborn ? This would make almost everyone "pro abort" would it not ? Most anti abortionists are not for protection for unborn cows.

Since the zygote is not "a human" you can not legitimately say that a zygote is an "uborn human".

Your definition of "pro abort" then must only apply ( Im guessing you dont mean cows) to the stage of pregnancy where a living human exists.

 

At 6 months, its clearly a human being. At 6.5 months most are viable and need little or no outside medical intervention after birth.

The prudent assumption is that its a human at conception, its up to you to prove at what point - if any - it is not a human.

Everything (except abortion) in our society is premised on the concept of innocent until proven guilty, deserving of protection unless proven otherwise. Society may restrict a persons rights based on mental capacity, but society does not remove a persons status as a human based on injury, birth defect, mental deficiency, or viability.

If you come up with a test for being human, are you going to apply it to all people?

And I expand on the following from you:

which if left alone developes into a fully functioning human.

 

A single human cell when left ALONE dies. In fact a grouping a human cells must be fairly well developed, at least 22-24 weeks, before it can develop into a fully function human IF LEFT ALONE. The necessary attachment to a woman is a fact that you seem to be forgetting.

 

Perspective:

http://www.dividedstates.com/abortion-eagle’s-egg-vs-human-fetus/

 

"Woman? What woman?"

An unfertilized egg can develop into a fully functional human too. No sane person can deny that. Thus, by their own standards, pro-lifers admit they are vicious killers, dehumanizig those helpless haploid humans for their own selfish hedonistic desires. And they hate life too. A whole bunch.

Pro-lifers, why do you all hate the wee haploid baybees so much? I weep in impotent rage to think about the slaughter which the pro-lifers so clearly relish.

Anyways, I'll be having a pizza now. Though it still doesn't exist yet. It's how the language works.

 

Just have to post this - cannot resist!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0kJHQpvgB8

 

I was also thinking of:

"It's not a pizza until it comes out of the oven!"

"No, it's a pizza the moment your fist first touches the dough!"

That Seinfeldt episode was mainly making fun of moral absolutists on all sides, like Elaine refusing to date a pro-life man, while the mellow relativist Jerry is happily staying out of the absolutist squabbles.

 

Agreed

I could just as easily take a human heart cell and say .. "prove it is not a human" ..which is silly.

It is not up to me to prove it is not a human because I am not the one treatening to take the liberty from a woman by making a law.

We do not make laws on the basis of "well it might be". If you want to make a law restricting freedom then you should have a reason.

Why is it prudent ? It is patently absurd to claim that a single human cell is a "living human".

Show an 8 yr old child 3 pictures an adult male, a monkey, and a single human cell and ask the child "Which one is not like the other".

What is significantly different (in relation to being a human) between the single cell at conception and any other human cell ?

Innocent until proven guilty applies to "humans" .. and not everything is premised on this concept. This is a concept in law which applies to humans that are suspected of committing a crime.

So .. prove that killing a zygote is "killing a human"

There are many tests for being a living human such that this being should have rights including the right to life.
Dead humans of course do not have this right because they are dead .. even though some of the cells may still be alive.

A living human has significant brain function and a heartbeat.

If you look at how humans are classified according to biology you will find a list of characteristics that an organism must have to be a member of that club.

and so on.

The zygote does not have any "significant traits" that would qualify it as a member of the club "living human"

So what you are saying here is that it is not a human now .. but might become one in the future if left alone.

Indeed the zygote has the "potential" to become a human. It also has the potential to become 100 humans.

Should we help every zygote realize its full potential resulting in the overpopulation of the world ?

 

Idiotic logic. An eagle is an endangered species .. duopphhh .. We do not give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about eating fish eggs.

If "every egg" is important ... then why do we eat one and try and save the other.

The argument in the post is so absurd it is an affront to human intelligence .. but, so are most of the arguments from lifers so I shold not be suprised.

 

Using adhominem (illlogical) attacks, you accuse "lifers" of being illogical... Is it logical to be "Pro-Death"???
If that were you at 8 weeks gestation, with all of your body systems in tact (including you nervous system which transmits pain signals) would you still be "pro death"?
I think not.
But oh, yeah... It's NOT you, so you don't really care. Out of sight, out of mind. That seems to be the mentality of so many. THAT is IGNOR-ANCE.

Ultrasound is not as in sight - but hopefully, you can see the suffering of this child being ripped apart, limb by limb, with only his/her head remaining to be manually crushed & taken out by the surgeon, during a typical abortion...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kq27UYHdxn8

This is not just "theory" or ideas... it is REAL murder of innocent children!

 

"The Silent Scream" is NOT REAL. It is faked.

 

Im not the idiot that made the dumb comparision from the link that you posted.

Pro Death .. LOL do you not like to eat dead things ? Like all humans I need to eat living things in order to survive. So Yes I suppose I am pro death.
Why do you think being Pro death is being illogical ?

At 8 weeks gestation there is no significant brain function. What is "ignorant" is not understanding that with no brain .. there is no pain.

I am against abortion in the later stages when an actual living human exists IMO.

What I am also against is folks wanting to control others based on personal religious beliefs.

Ignorance of the constitution would be to make laws based on Religion.

There is no valid rational for the lifer's claim that a single human cell at conception somehow is a living human.

 

This is what is hypocritical. Do let me show you.

You said, "What I am also against is folks wanting to control others based on personal religious beliefs." Your against free speech but yet you tell people what they can and can't do as well. You don't want free speech. The fact is people are controlled by the government. We are told in many circumstances what to do and how we can do it. The laws are based on someones morality and our society at the time. Abortion was once illegal…it was considered immoral. Then along came the Supreme Court…they voted and abortion became moral. This decision was based on lies…and passed by biased people….just like WE ARE. The Constitution affords me free speech and the right to pursued people to believe what I believe. You have no right to stop me.

You said, "I am against abortion in the later stages when an actual living human exists IMO."

Now this one really gravels me. You said you were against abortion. LMAO ARE YOU SERIOUS? You are against something, why? You want to impose YOUR MORALITY on other people. It shouldn't be legal because obviously you feel at some point it is wrong. It wasn't a human being when it was conceived…wasn't a human being when the heart started beating at 20 days after conception…wasn't a human being when it starts kicking. But all of a sudden somewhere between ???? and ???? to becomes, human. So it does not matter to you if a woman wants a late term abortion…in your eyes by your bias its wrong. Obviously you don't care what science says about the life in the womb in earlier stages…so why should you care what science says in late stages. Your POSITION TAKES SOMEONE ELSES RIGHTS AWAY. Wow…this is what you tell me I CAN'T DO.

 

Your opinion just like abortion. You wouldn't be able to tell something that was real anyway…you are a pro-abort…you condone what goes on in Silent Scream. Right? I mean you are pro-abortion grannie, right? LOL

 

If someone who supports abortion rights is a "pro-abort," what do you call a woman who has actually had an abortion?