Existence of a god or gos

Are you saying that there is no possible alternative explanation for any of these indicants? Non-supernatural explanations? It seems all they are is things you would expect to exist if there were a god, but none of them couldn't exist without one.

 

I'm not sure that discussing the indication of something is as meaningful as discussing the proof of something. Incorporeal is playing word games for some reason.

 

For me, going "all-in" on faith alone is more liberating, joyful, and fulfilling than going "all-out" (atheism)

There are things that we can all relate to even though they can't be measured. Can anyone truly say, "I know my spouse loves me"? Did you measure it using a love-o-meter? Then perhaps your spouse is like John Edwards who politely waited for his wife to be in remission before cheating on her.

If science gets to a point where they can measure all the complex chemical reactions of the brain and show you exactly that your spouse is playing you and will eventually be unfaithful what would you act on that information?

"But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law."

Just because something can't be measured doesn't make it invalid.

 

Oh, I know. I thought I'd try his ridiculous word on for size.

He's not the guy in another thread who claimed "I believe the bible is true" and is now trying to prove that because he reeeeeeaaaaaaallllly believes it the bible must be true, is he? That guy has a few issues he needs to sort out, too, if they're not one and the same.

 

Yep, but it's fun to watch someone get entangled in their own web and trip over! Happens regularly... lolololol

 

I’ll weigh in as be being a “realist”…. If I had a choice, I would lean toward God than no God. Why? Everything is perfect!!! When we deal with biology and know that everything is completely random, how can this Earth maintain equilibrium for so long? How can there be major catastrophe’s and then equilibrium AGAIN! Major extinctions – equilibrium…

Since people are so familiar with life as dealing with animals, why do predators kill their young? Because they know if I have 8 babies – we will drive the prey to extinction… Because that would happen… that should have happened… we shouldn’t even BE HERE!

Some “thing” should have eaten everything then started in on itself back about 3 billion years ago…

Because of this – the whole “God” things seems more than likely than not. There is a force that we do not know that is keeping equilibrium. Why do we have grass when there are weeds that are invasive? Invasive species should have taken over the planet millions upon millions of years ago! Example: Cane Toad in Australia… Without human intervention – they would take over. The Asian Carp http://www.fws.gov/Midwest/fisheries/library/fact-asiancarp.pdf... All done by us, but for some reason – UNKNOWN TO US – invasive species has been kept in check for billions of years, but we take a couple and drop them somewhere and they take over in a couple generations. And that is how nature SHOULD work, but it doesn’t…

The question is why? What has prevented nature from spinning out of control? What is the force that has retained equilibrium? If that force were to have a name, would we call it God?

 

The question remains, "Why is there something rather than nothing?" since "something" requires more work than "nothing" ocam's razor would slice away all of existence if left unchecked...yet here we are in spite of the work required to exist.

There is a really good multi-verse theory that outlines the math behind why our universe got to its current state in such a relatively short time. In the end I think it is easier for the physicist to call it "galactic chicken" instead of God. Definitively worth watching whether you believe in God or not...

Distant Time and the Hint of a Multiverse -- Sean Carroll

 

If there is a God, where is Heaven?

Can the existence of Heaven be proved by mathematics or science?

Is Heaven somewhere in the outer space?

Any comment by any netizen?

 

What are you talking about? There's no mystical force keeping everything in balance. Our "balance" is achieved through phenomena that we understand. After mass extinctions, whatever remains slowly repopulates the Earth. There's nothing magical about that.

 

OK, so you have your God. Now tell us why it has to be the God of the Bible or of the Koran.

 

is there anything real in the current context that you can point too, or is it only written words of what someone says they saw in the past is what I think is being asked, from your post it sounds like you are saying there is only words written of such things, nothing one can point too in the current time period

 

Amazingly crude and childish in these times .
I cannot believe that schools allow youngsters to abuse simple rules of logic so awfully .
To give you an extreme example but underlining the point exactly :
Me and friends produce a series of articles , reports , releases , books and videos , expressing the belief that certain human beings are Alien life forms , successful because of their ability to shape change .
I feel sure you can see the force of the point .
It is actually offensive to many non Christians that you continue to make such absurd claims .
Simply say that a group of you hold certain BELIEFS and choose to do your best to live by them . Don't arrogantly bring God into your aggrandisement schemes . imo

 

I don't exactly disagree, but suggest that we define what you mean by a "god."
se below... I double posted

 

I don't exactly disagree, but suggest that we define what you mean by a "god."

I mean, the whole world outside of you seems immortal, will exist after you die.
From what we learn some time after our birth, the world has been here long before we arrived, and it isn't an entity that can be ignored.

The world interacts with us even if we try to ignore the world.
In fact, the world is both friend and foe.
The world feeds and nurtures us, but it is deadly if we try to live in some crazy fantasy and do not bow down to it.

In fact, our science says the Law of evolution for every species, is adapt or become extinct.

My point is that the actual Facts-of-Life are telling us that something holds sway over us from day one, and will finally demand or life unless we wise off sooner.
Is that like the idea of a god????

In fact, the Natural World seems to be the very spirit of an invisible "god" or power behind this mystery of life w are experiencing with so much apathy.
Life in the womb had left us alone as if we were a larva in a cocoon, but as butterflies, we find this other thing, this whole Entity of the world and the people which seem to be occupying it with us.
That "other" is all there is that is not us.
And we must submit to the whole ball of wax.

 

Hmmm...

In the name of living together in this world which we have all encountered it seems reaonable to insist that Reality does exist and we must all admit to that if we are to be considered sane.

What I am saying is that before this century, we have had to debate on just what the conditions might be for us all to live in the real world together and make sure no one among us is hurting others.

It seems clear thatthe Reaklity is, the world is difficult already, and we must not help the natural forces give us more pain and suffering.
In fact, it is equally clear that we are eachothers best friend in the effort to just survive, and as a team, we can and have worked to build occassional Golden Ages.

This is the context and content of Religion.

Though you may insist that morals and ethics are intuitive rules which might be unsupported with convincing agruments as far as you have found so far, you must agree on some regulation of our conduct and limit to our motivations, I would think.

I am saying we can not leave you alone, because if that were universal in principle, we would all be alone.
But clearly, we need and depend upon one another.

 

Sure there is.

You might want to learn just a tinsy weensy bit about atoms.

 

We are close to saying the same thing.

The kingdo of God is within, inside our head, in the form of the spirit of truth.

Truth in our mind models the world outside which is in totality, the almighty we must cinfront, bow down to, deal with.

 

The Law of Conservation of Energy/matter keeps everything in balance as the web of Natural Laws interact.

 

The existence of a organized systems of Laws demands a Law Giver or Law Creator.

Nothing except God comes into being without a Originator.

"In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth."

Funny, if I was to say the Oxford Unabridged Dictionary - over a period of millions of years - simple came into existence, others would LTFHO and call me crazy.

But when these same people tell others that the universe simply came into existence by chance and happenstance,
the rest of us are supposed to take that absurdity without a smirk.

LMFHO

 

What in the same way the twilight franchise indicates sparkly vampires exist and high fantasy indicates wizards exist?

 

a law giver with no organization or laws maintaining itself god was fleeting chaos you mean? that just happened to exist to boot?