Fascism and banning free thought in Florida

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  1. FatBack

    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    I'm sitting here in Florida reading what you have freely thought to write about.... I think the word I'm looking for is "ironic".
     
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    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    Or just erase 95% of your post and quote one little sentence or two out of context and then begin to attack the straw man
     
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  3. chris155au

    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    Oh yeah, @Golem is GREAT at that too! :roflol:
     
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    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    Conservatives are bad because he's on the other team. It's that simplistic. Conservatives do it too.

    Pointless tribalism.
     
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    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    Conservatives are feminists now and you say this happens in 2013 they were fighting for equal pay between the sexes and representation in the movies and television?

    Did they all also grow bunny ears and start riding unicycles too?
     
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    Indeed, governments have been regulating and restricting what publications are available in public schools for as long as there have been public schools. I'm in my 50s, and live in and grew up here in the Eff Ell Aay, and even during my days in school, what books, magazines, newspapers, and etc. were made available to me were restricted. Even moreso than what was available in the local public libraries, but the only thing I used those for was their copy machines, at 10 cents a page.

    But if I wanted books or magazines related to pretty much any sexual content, I either had to sneak into my father's stache, steal it from a bookstore or similar, or get it from a friend.

    That's why the whole 'Florida is burning books' thing is so stupid... It is nothing new, if anything, even after these changes they probably have more adult oriented material than in my day.
     
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  7. Ritter

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    Wrong. He blames Pride Month on individualism and many other Conservatives alike holdca similar view of individualism as something bad.

    Much like those on The Left who use nonsense terms like "hyper-caputalism", they - just likevyou - use words like "radical ibdividualism" and "hyper-indivudualism" which, of course, is something those on the left does too.

    Reality and reason. These ideas took a long, lobg time to develop.

    Yes, told you they don't like it.

    The most fundamental right is the right to life; all other rights are just derivations of this fundamental right. Life is self-sustaining action and the right to life is thus the right to engage in this action.

    The definitionbis supported by- and consistent with action.

    "The group" has no brain or life of its own. I disregardvthe idea of collectivism as a whole.
     
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    Here ya go... One of the books found in Florida schools that is no long there, and properly so:

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    I stand corrected.
     
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    What is your understanding of what 'Pride Month' is all about?

    How would you say that Reality and reason infer inalienable rights?

    Yeah, and you might agree with them if your understanding of "individualism" was the same as theirs. It's clear that it's not though.

    Wow. Completely indistinguishable from how the most hardcore conservative would speak about the right to life, myself included. Very interesting indeed.

    Why is murder illegal even though certain individuals would like to murder?
     
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    An admirable concession! I like it!
     
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  12. Ritter

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    Well, Pride Month is very obviously rooted in collectivism -- What you are to take "pride" in is your group identity; whatever sub-community of LGBTQIA+ you were born into is the standard of value and it is thus as far from individualism you can get.

    Itbis also a corruption of the conceptbof pride since pride is to be taken in something you did nothing to achieve, it is only about being proud of the fact that you were born.

    In order to live, man needs to be able to be free to use his own judgement to take life-sustaining action. Rights come from observing and acknowledging this fact of reality.

    Their understanding of it is wrong which is why I disagree.

    That is because the most hardcore conservatives do not even believe in it. To them, the most important issues are transgenders, "owning the libs", Nationalism and God.

    Because if nurder was legalbit would mean those who want to murder are at risk of getting murdered themselves.

    As I said before, the right to life is the basis on which all other rights rest.
     
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    The left have been trying to get rid of free speech rights for a long time now.
     
  14. Golem

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    Debate you? I thought you were just asking a question....
     
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    Yes, which results in debate. You have no answers. You have no argument. You never do. You cut out 90% of our replies. You just cannot handle scrutiny. We're all used to it at this point.
     
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    Oh yeah, the parents are fascists. I guess they are all basically Hitler then! :roflol:

    Actually, slavery is very much taught in Florida. Get your facts right. I know that you find that difficult to do though, so I'll grant you some leniency.

    Actually it turns out that MLK wasn't a ridiculous, radical Critical Race Theory proponent in the mold of the JOKER Ibram X Kendi. Therefore, no, a teacher would not get fired for that. Don't be so ludicrously hyperbolic. I know that it's normal for you though so I'll grant you some leniency.

    No evidence that teachers are forbidden from using words like "gender identity" or "gay." It's clear that you have totally bought into the leftist media lie labelling it the "don't say gay bill." Imagine my SHOCK!
     
  17. Golem

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    Took me about five posts to get you to find the answer. Next time, just start with your point!
     
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    Not all! It was only like eight or nine (I can remember the number... a handful) parents who were traveling all over the state filing all the complaints

    But, you know what... I made every effort to read through this whole email of yours trying to find something serious to comment about and... it has ZERO content. No point... no arguments... no debate. This is why I delete 95% of your posts... because I usually eliminate the empty nonsense. And yours are ALL empty nonsense.
     
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    Funny how liberals opened the can of worms about the majority having to bow to the minority anytime a handful of people are offended. Now that the shoe is on the other foot not so much. Florida has overreached on their policies but maybe if the left hadn't tried to put books in schools featuring oral sex or books about the entire country being racist in an attempt to brainwash children we wouldn't have gotten to this point.
     
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    How did you even end up watching 'What is a Woman?'
     
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    I already explained here:
     
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    You DELETE my posts?
     
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    Okay, so you are against Pride Month. Interesting.

    Are these rights written anywhere?

    I don't see anything close to your definition supported anywhere online though. I wonder if you agree or disagree with the first paragraph of the Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individualism

    "That is because?" So the reason that what you said about the right to life is completely indistinguishable from how the most hardcore conservative would speak about it "is because" they do not even believe in it? Perhaps you can rephrase, because I'm sure that you did not mean that.

    And you think that's why murder was originally made illegal? To protect would-be murderers? I'm sure that you don't mean that.

    Would you not agree that individualism has something to do with the idea that the interests of the individual should gain precedence over everyone else in society?
     
  24. Ritter

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    No.,

    In the Declaration of Independence.


    Read Ayn Rand.

    I am not going to read anbentire Wiki page just to reply to some random online-stranger who has proven, time and time again, he is not interested in elaboarted arguments. Repkying to this would be a big waste of time.





    Conservatives do not agree with this view.




    No. Life is the standard; it is the starting point and the easiest observation to make -- we are alive and the right to stay alive needs to be protected because without we cannot have liberty, property and pursue our happiness.



    "Society" is just a collection of individuals, so of course the individual's interests take precedence over that of "society".
     
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  25. Ritter

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    I regret it. Forgettable docu no one will remember in three years.
     

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