Fascism and banning free thought in Florida

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  1. garyd

    garyd Well-Known Member

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    So basically you aren't interested in a serious conversation, rather you would play silly games with semantics. Sorry I don't think explicit pornographiic material gay or other wise should be in a grade school library.
     
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    I don’t have a “beef”. I was just trying to educate you.

    Of course! You’re referring to the GDP, right? The GDP includes all investments and since the CEOs “compensation” rose, they invested more. That’s part of it.
     
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    Most people don’t. That’s why it isn’t there.

    But “semantics”? You are just recoiling from having been corrected on your use of words. DeSanta has issued bans.
     
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    • The two very crucial aspects of a documentary, in my opinion, is (1) to present an honest narrative with (2) the purpose of increasing understanding and leaving the viewer with new knowledge ones it ebds.
    Walsh's documentary fails on both points. It is very obvious he is driven by hate and has an agenda to ridicule trans people and present all of them as nuts and his way of "letting them speak" is not even honest since he cut them short in editibg and sat there rolling his eyes like an immature teenager. Once it ended, nothing new had been presented.

    Ecerythingbis made nuchvworsevif you know who Walsh is and what he stands for.

    When was the last time you heard a Conservative even use the term? If you listen to prominent conservatives such as Ben Shapiro they are even explicitly anti-individualism.

    They do not speak out against it. Progressive education as a whole is a sham, but their sole focus is on LGBTQ-inclusion because "God said it is a sin".

    Absolute TERF-mode.
     
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    How is his narrative not honest? As for your second point, viewers ARE left with new knowledge: that transgender ideology is hilariously fragile and falls apart under the SLIGHTEST scrutiny! :roflol:

    Walsh freely admits that he is driven by hate. He HATES transgender ideology. As for an "agenda to ridicule trans people and present all of them as nuts?" Uh, yeah, those ridiculous human beings ridiculed themselves! They presented themselves as nuts! Also, you seem to think that they were all trans. All Walsh did was give them the opportunity to defend their beliefs, and they just could not do it! It was amazing! The absolute best moment for me, was in the interview with the absolute JOKER, (not trans by the way) Dr. Patrick Grzanka, Professor of Women, Gender, and Sexuality Studies at the University of Tennessee (hilarious title) in which Walsh says: "I'm just trying to start by getting to the truth", to which the Nutty Professor replies: "I'm really uncomfortable with that language of 'getting to the truth!'" Walsh asks: "why is that uncomfortable" to which the Nutty Professor replies: "Because that... it sounds actually deeply transphobic to me, and if you keep probing we're going to stop the interview!" Then: "You keep invoking the word 'truth' which is condescending and rude." Truly great stuff! :roflol:

    Who is he and what does he stand for? Let me guess: he is a hater who stands for hate! :roflol:

    You're conflating "individual rights" with "individualism."

    Uh, conservatives are against public education for more reasons that just the LGBTQ nonsense.

    What do you mean? Are all conservatives radical feminists?
     
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    You referred to Trump supporters, or put another way by you, those who "remained", as: "fascists, and conservatives who tolerate fascism." Whose fascism were they tolerating exactly? Are you seriously not drawing a line between Trump and fascism? Boy, that WOULD be a surprise! I thought that you were the one on here leading that particular anti-Trump attack line!

    You said: "IF by "conservative" you are referring to the ideology of being pro-individual rights, pro-capitalism, pro- the government staying out of people's private matters, and against wasteful spending." Keyword "IF." So it was far from clear that you were giving YOUR definition of conservatism.

    But Republicans ARE those things. How are they NOT? I mean, the idea that Republicans are anti-capitalism - that's HILARIOUS! And I suppose the Democrats are the REAL capitalists!
     
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    chris155au Well-Known Member

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    Ok everyone, we have our funniest take of the week, and it comes from @Golem: Joe Biden is: "against wasteful spending!" Also, this is one of the things which makes him "very conservative!":roflol:
     
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    Well, you pretty much sum it up pretty well further below in this post -- he admits the docu is driven by hate.

    That is supposed to be something new?

    Exacrly, he is out to destroy snd not to create.

    That he is the interview he cut and the cut was very obvious. He did not present any counters or ask for clarifications.

    Ah, a postmodernist unable to define truth -- what a surprise.

    The funny thing here is that every Conservative's favourite professor, Dr.Jordan B Peterson, addresses the same question in the exact same way; "it depends what you mean?"

    Pretty sure you are not rofloling at him. Sadly.

    He is a Social Conservative and, even worse, self-identified Theocratic-Fascist -- two ideologies I despise.

    The two cannot be separated.

    Nah.

    Yes, contemporary conservatives sound exactly like 2013's Tumblr-TERFs.
     
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  9. Golem

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    "Whose"? You probably need to restate that question.

    As a matter of fact, I did EXACTLY that in the post you responded to.

    Try reading again ... Third time's the charm....

    You jump capriciously from "Trump supporters" to "Trump"... as if they were the same thing. And it's quite confusing...

    And very purposefully so. As I was trying to give THEIR definition, not mine. i.e., the one I have read from them most often. The term "if" you give so much emphasis to means "feel free to correct it if conservatives don't believe those things". Which would be obvious to any moderately competent English speaker.

    Those who are those things are now referred to as RINOs. It looks from your quote that I accidently omitted the term Party as in "The Republican Party". Obviously I was referring to the leadership and the current ideology of the Party.

    You "suppose"? I don't know what "REAL capitalist" means (all-caps term does not compute), though. So I hesitate to answer.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yeah! Hilarius! After all the money he wasted on that guy Durham who didn't get anybody convict... what? It wasn't Biden? But he did spend all that money on a wall that was never.... not him either?

    Don't fret. I'm not saying I don't understand what you're saying. I do understand that uneducated people must claim that spending in education is "wasteful". So it's not that I don't get your point. It's just that educated people understand that NO nation where a large enough portion of the population has obtained some higher education degree has ever succeeded.
     
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  11. chris155au

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    Yeah, it turns out that insane amounts of FBI incompetence, does not result in anyone getting convicted. Incompetence is not a crime, but it probably should be.

    I did not claim that Trump was some fiscal conservative. Presidents of both parties have engaged in wasteful spending for generations.

    Oh, did I mention education spending?
     
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    Well if it's confusing for you, then perhaps I can simplify it in this way: Is Trump a fascist, yes or no?

    Look, it's REALLY very simple! You made the claim that the "Republican Party is no long [sic] conservative." So then define "conservative." This will be vital in you being able to even have a chance at supporting your claim. Or you could just leave the claim completely unsupported, which is normal enough for you I guess.

    Yeah I know who you were referring to. You're saying that the Republican Party is anti-"individual rights", anti-"capitalism", and anti-"the government staying out of people's private matters." Which is totally ridiculous! I mean, the idea that the Republican Party is anti-capitalism - that's HILARIOUS!
     
  13. Golem

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    I think you're confused. Durham does not work for the FBI. He worked for Trump. And was payed with funds from the DOJ. And Democrats kept him because... well... what else could they do.

    And yet... I have given examples, and could provide dozens more. While you waste your time reading bumper-stickers out loud
     
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    Clearly and explicitly answered in the post I have invited you no less than three times to read again!
     
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    So if there is some 'drive' behind a documentary, this makes it a bad documentary?

    For many people it was. Many people just accepted this total nonsense for a long time without really questioning it. Anyway, it seems that you too know that transgender ideology is hilariously fragile. That great! We finally have something in common!

    Because the people he interviewed gave insanely embarrassing answers, this means that he is out to destroy? And what should he be 'creating' exactly?

    Is that an interviewer's job, to present counters? And how could he ask for clarifications on NON-answers?

    Glad you agree Dr. Patrick Grzanka is a total joke! Just another thing that we now have in common!

    Oh yeah, Peterson has totally said that he is uncomfortable with the language of 'getting to the truth!' He has totally referred to the truth as deeply transphobic, condescending and rude! Sorry, I forgot about that! :roflol:

    Yeah I'm not, because he is actually a serious person, not like these totally unserious, laughable, insane lunatics that Walsh interviewed!

    You actually think that he is being serious about being a Theocratic-Fascist! Have you been brainwashed by Media Matters? :roflol:

    Yah. https://www.theamericanconservative.com/the-dysfunction-of-big-education/

    Yeah I know, they both know what a woman is. And don't limit the TERF's to 2013! They STILL know what a woman is to this day! Isn't that crazy!

    You seem to follow and Ben Shapiro and the Daily Wire in general, fairly closely. You may have heard Ben talking about radical individualism. Is that right do you think?
     
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    No, YOU are confused. It should have been pretty clear that I was referring to the FBI incompetence that Durham found. You said that the Durham investigation didn't get anybody convicted, and you're right. It turns out that insane amounts of FBI incompetence, does not result in anyone getting convicted. Incompetence is not a crime, but it probably should be.

    And that's great. The point remains that Presidents of both parties have engaged in wasteful spending for generations.
     
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    You refer to egocentrism as Trump's only ideology, but then you refer to his supporters as "fascists, and conservatives who tolerate fascism." So what makes them "fascists" or what makes them "tolerate fascism?" Have they previously tolerated fascism? And I note the total lack of support for your 'Republican Party is no longer conservative' claim! I just knew that you wouldn't be able to do it! Just another in a very long line of claims that you cannot support! Keep up the good work! You're really living up to your signature! :roflol:
     
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    They don't understand that schools are the government. If the government has the right to free expression then the people don't.

    It's funny that he talks about fascism saying that the government is entitled to free expression and everyone else needs to shut the hell up that sounds more like fascism to me.

    Saying that the government must be allowed to expose your children to pornography and will call it books. And you should have no say over it that's fascism.

    This is the behavior of a fascist calling other people fascist for not letting him be fascist.
     
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    They are run by local and state governments. In fact the school board is a government unto itself so it has its own government. It has to follow the state guidelines just like states have to follow federal guidelines.
     
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    Funny. A guy who was too incompetent to obtain ANY prosecutions during a four year investigation accuses an agency that prosecuted over a thousand insurrectionists in less than two... of being "incompetent"! It could not be more hilarious!
     
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    Bingo!! Finally you found your answer. And it only took about... what?... seven attempts?

    You must forgive me but I don't think I wish to continue wasting that much time holding the hand of a single poster who refuses to READ.
     
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    They're the donor class. All politicians on all sides benefit from their donations. No politician in any party will bite the hand that feeds.

    This is the case in many governments including Communist governments and socialist governments.

    I'm sorry people are so easily bought off by large sums of money. But treating this reality like you can escape it through some sort of manipulation is a pipe dream.

    Let's say Bernie Sanders won presidency. And let's say he's not the greedy capitalist that he really is but he truly believes in the wealthy paying their fair share. He couldn't do anything because the legislative body is the one that creates tax code. And they still benefit from the donor class.

    If the donor class had this heavy tax burden they have ways of escaping it and those ways are built specifically for them to escape it. They have to be otherwise they won't donate to your campaign.

    And without their campaign contributions you aren't going to win.

    The wealth disparity is much greater in more socialized economy is like China. The poor barely had running water.
     
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    Accusing and convicting people falsely of the crime of insurrection is fascism.

    Shall I start calling you Benito or do you prefer Mussolini.
     
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    What are you talking about? I haven't prosecuted or convicted anybody. The FBI, the DOJ, courts, juries, ... did.

    Oh, I get it! They're all "fascists" in your mind. You gotta love the smell of desperation!
     
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    I read the "egocentrism" bit originally but because you then mentioned "fascism", that made it seem like you were contradicting yourself.
     
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