Fetal Pain Is A Lie: How Phony Science Took Over The Abortion Debate

IRONY SQUARED!!!



You have not cited or linked a single "medical journals actual practicing doctors use" probably because you don't have access to them.

Furthermore your canard that I "can't provide a single medical journal describing procedures where numbing agents are used to numb the fetus" was exposed as utterly bogus by your misreading of what I actually provided.

So great job destroying your own credibility.

Furthermore the onus is on YOU to prove that what I have cited is incorrect. That means you have to provide credible links stipulating where what I have provided is factually wrong. Like all anti-rightists that won't happen because throwing out mindless slurs and baseless allegations is the SOP when proven factually wrong.

Furthermore it is patently obvious that you know less than nothing about abortion procedures since you can't tell the difference between a medically induced delivery on a pre-7 week fetus and surgical deliveries at 7-16 weeks and post 16 weeks.

Instead you made the absurd and utterly baseless claim that the fetus wasn't sedated simply because you don't have a clue how it is physically connected to the uterus.

But don't let that stop you from spouting drivel without any substantiation. After all that is all you have and it is impossible to lower my expectations of the anti-rightists any further.

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That makes no sense whatsoever!

 

Read again, your WIFE had three kids, you watched.


You think I sound self righteous because I believe women have a right to their own bodies??? Guess ya just couldn't think of a better insult or argument...


I never claimed to hold the high moral ground as you do. I believe morals vary from person to person and YOU do not rule on what is moral or not for other people.

 

Babies are born within the time frame leftists want to have abortions. What kind of complete idiot seriously tries to pretend they feel no pain?

 

Well if the part of a Fetuses Brain that receives signals it would then interpret as pain does not yet exist because it has not yet grown and developed as part of the Fetal Brain.....then there is ZERO POSSIBILITY that Pain could be felt.

At around 26 perhaps to 29 weeks dependent upon fetal development the Fetus can feel pain but not before that because that part of the fetal brain that interprets electronic signals as Pain DOES NOT YET EXIST!!

No one likes the idea of Abortion.

But there are always going to be cases where an abortion is not only necessary but it is MORAL!!

So the best thing to do is LOWER THE TOTAL NUMBER OF ABORTIONS!!!

How do we do this?

EDUCATION!!!

When kid's are about 8 years old they are taught EVERYTHING that needs to be known about reproduction, abstinence, birth control, disease and STD control and taught ABOVE ALL....that if they have unprotected sex that they must know how to get and use asap MORNING AFTER AND PLAN B DRUGS!!!

If we do what I have just detailed above we will lower the total number of abortions a year by over 95% and perhaps higher.

But there are always going to be cases where an ABORTION IS MORALLY JUSTIFIABLE!!!

INCEST.
RAPE.
HEALTH OF THE FEMALE.
NON-VIABLE FETUS.
BIRTH DEFECTS.
GENETIC ABNORMALITIES.
DISEASE.
Etc..etc.

Now even some of these abortions can be prevented by the immediate use of Morning After and Plan B Drugs!!!

But until some Pro-Lifers....and I consider myself to be BOTH PRO-LIFE AND PRO-CHOICE....until some pro-lifer's are able to GROW UP....and realize that what I have just detailed out will lower the total number of abortions by 95% or greater....instead of wasting time complaining....they should be helping to develop legislation to EDUCATE PEOPLE!!!

Abortion will ALWAYS REMAIN LEGAL IN THE UNITED STATES....ALWAYS!!!

So...GET OVER IT AND WORK WITHIN IT!!!

AboveAlpha

 

23 weeks is the legal limit and most abortions are performed long before that.

Abortions performed after that are for the health and/or life of the woman or fetus but I see you want their suffering to continue no matter what...What kind of complete idiot seriously tries to pretend they feel no pain?

 

Do you know that there is?

 

So what?

I've made no proposals

Only responding in kind.

 

How does it get from the cervex into the bloodstream of the baby?

 

Line up the dead babies........over six miles of dead baby bodies every year.

 

Every single person who is actively seeking to prevent women from getting abortions, there should be also put into law that these people must financially support these children until they are 18 years of age. This measure would reduce the overburden strain on our welfare system. This would also send a message for individuals that insist on taking freedoms away that there is a individual price tag they must pay for their active part in it.

 

You sure seem to enjoy that vision....almost to obsession.........

 

They should also be responsible for the prenatal expenses and the monitoring of every pregnancy to guarantee that every pregnant woman is taking care of her fetus or else face child abuse charges.

If this sounds nuts and extremely stupid, it's because the anti-choice crowd are nuts and extremely stupid and should be called out on their craziness and stupidity.

 

And women FORCED to give birth should be able to get compensation for the physical and emotional damage .....a 1/4 million $ ought to do it, funded by Anti-Choicers.

 

Seriously?

Are you tacitly admitting to being completely and utterly ignorant of the topic under discussion?

Here is a simple diagram!



The cervix is the opening to the uterus. The placenta is attached to the wall of the uterus. Oxygen and nourishment circulating in the woman's bloodstream are absorbed by the placenta and circulated via the umbilical cord into the bloodstream of the fetus.

Anything in the bloodstream of the woman, including alcohol and drugs, is absorbed by the placenta.

Hard to believe that this kind of fundamental ignorance exists amongst those who are opposed to abortion.

 

Were do you get the "joy" part? It's abhorrent wouldn't you agree. But then the only obsession is by you who has already stated you'd have no problem driving by all those dead babies just so you can have all those abortions taking place. Six miles of them and they only represent 1.5% of abortions.

 

The bloodstream is not the opening to the cervix, try again. And no not anything in the bloodstream of the mother is absorbed by the placenta, that is the purpose of the placenta to insure that NOT anything in the bloodstream of the mother enters the bloodstream of the baby.

Not hard to believe that this kind of fundamental ignorance exists amongst those who support killing babies in the womb.

 

Congratulations!

You have completely and utterly disqualified yourself from any further meaningful interaction on this topic given your tacit admission of woeful ignorance of the subject matter.

Have a nice day.

 

That phrase "right to their own bodies" is, in fact, a moral declaration. From atop the steps of the United States Supreme Court, you morally judge people who disagree it.

 

Rights are not morals...sorry you're confused.

 

Despite the reality that there is no scientific consensus that a foetus feels pain - remembering that pain is as much a psychological reaction as it is physical - it really is pretty irrelevant. Is the pain suffered by a person killed by another in self-defence a consideration as to whether self-defence should be legal or not?

I would suggest a number of pro-lifers posting here study their own laws concerning consent and self-defence and while they are at it study the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment of the Constitution.

Whether the foetus feels pain or not has no relevance to a woman's right to defend herself, up to and including deadly force, against non-consented injuries from a third party.

 

Nope not in the slightest, it is simply the codification of what humans have thought and fought for since they began to cooperate.

Morals are fluid, they ebb and change from person to person and from one year to the next. Morality is relative. There is no such thing as absolute morality.

 

OK, so I think denying 1% of a woman's rights is too much, and you find that denying anything less than 100% of a woman's rights is too little. Be thankful no fanatic is trying to deny 100% of any of YOUR rights. Or is denying peoples' rights only OK when you do it?

 

That linked source does not even detail which Morning After Pill she was given!!!

It also does not detail any information of the girls Physical Health!!

A SINGLE PEANUT CAN KILL SOMEONE.....if their body will not allow them to eat Peanuts!!

And even if she was healthy....ONLY ONE DEATH is less than the number of deaths associated to a kid taking an ANTACID!!!

Your challenge is a logical fallacy as all drugs have interaction warnings!!!

Is that going to stop a mom from giving their kid some Cough Syrup if they have no known issues and this article does not detail if there were known or unknown issues!!!

AboveAlpha

 

https://www.rcog.org.uk/globalassets/documents/guidelines/rcogfetalawarenesswpr0610.pdf

You won't find a better or more reliable source than the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists


The summary:

Connections from the periphery to the cortex are not intact before 24 weeks of gestation. Most
pain neuroscientists believe that the cortex is necessary for pain perception; cortical activation
correlates strongly with pain experience and an absence of cortical activity generally indicates
an absence of pain experience.52–54 The lack of cortical connections before 24 weeks, therefore,
implies that pain is not possible until after 24 weeks. Even after 24 weeks, there is continuing
development and elaboration of intracortical networks. Furthermore, there is good evidence
that the fetus is sedated by the physical environment of the womb and usually does not awaken
before birth.

And that should be that.

 

There is another aspect of pain that is being ignored by the anti-rightists.

During actual birth, when physical harm is being done to the woman hence the pain of childbirth, what pain is the fetus feeling?

In essence the fetus is being pushed on by contractions of the abdominal muscles and squeezed through the opening in the cervix. There has to be intense pressure on the skull and the brain during that process.

So why hasn't the OP, or any of the other anti-rightists, who are demanding that every fetus be born addressed the intense pain that they will inflict on the fetus during the birth process which can take many hours.

What kind of agony does the fetus feel during childbirth?

Do any of the anti-rights actually care about that pain?