Flashback: FDR unveiled Robert E. Lee statue without controversy in 1936

Meaning a general as good as Lee

 

lincoln would have settled for a general willing to take to the field. the north didnt need to win they just needed to keep degrading the south given its limited resources.

 

Study Grant and you learn fast he did not really mind having his army killed off. He knew he could get more men and did.

 

Had Abe not invaded, there was no Civil war to be had. It shows me too that Abe was callous to the core to drag farmers in the North into his brawl.

 

No it's not.

The confederates were proud conservatives, and they referred to the Northerners mid 1860's - literally - as Communists, Socialists and licentious, free lovin' liberals.

To this day, The Southerners are by and large: conservative.

It's not a "meaningless" term. It's a fully adopted ideology.

 

It is imperatively a correct term and puts the war into context: human flesh was property in the South and other parts of the Union. It religious evangelical conservatism informs both the white and black South.

 

Conservative liberal. Ignorant terms.

Democrats fought for the South. They did not ask, hey are you conservative? Liberals claim they are anti war. They waged war on the South. So if that is liberal, you can keep them.

 

Horses and cows are owned. Do you mean to tell me only conservatives have them too?

 

Just about if not every military academies in the world studies Gettysburg and the American Civil War.

The American Civil War was the first modern war ever fought. And it's why we fight wars the way we do today.

William Tecumseh Sherman has to be one of the biggest ********s in history. But I would defend protecting any statue of Sherman from being taken down.

I'm willing to bet that Joseph Stalin and some of his generals studied "Sherman's March to the Sea" and his scorch earth policies of raping, looting and burning down Atalanta during his assault across Georgia. The same scorch earth tactics the the Soviet army used during WW ll.

I bet there's not one freaking statue of Sherman in any state in the South.


General William Tecumseh Sherman Monument

 

Take me, I have yet to own a slave. So today it is crazy to claim Democrats in those days were all of one mind.

Take the plantation owners for example. I don't think that all such owners were really rich. Take Jefferson as one example vs Washington. Washington owned many slaves as did Jefferson. Washington was extremely rich and Jefferson died in poverty. All he had left was his home on land.

You don't see the Bigots lambaste Washington a slave owner as were he conservative do you?

Conservative to a historian means squat. I like to call out the parties as those living in the era called them out. Abe was a republican. But listen to Democrats today and they think we are all for slavery. Abe was more for slavery than I have ever been.

 

If Custer were have served during the Vietnam War, Custer would have been fragged.

 

Yeah they had plenty of Irish coming in

 

Fallacy of false equivalency, and your comment reveals in part that many southerners thought of slaves as property animals like cows and horses.

 

You are living in a fake world. The southerners seceded so they created the Civil War

 

Frankly when i have been to DC, I don't recall that statue. I would not want it destroyed either. Sherman was an animal.

I located it using Google maps. I walked clear around the White house and took ample photos. I am not clear why i did not recall that Sherman monument. The animal also has one in NY City. Tear it down. Get that monument off the White House lawn.

 

Abe had no call to invade the South at VA. Best case he might have made is to fire some shots at Ft. Sumter.

 

They did. They worked slaves. They work farm animals too. However, on many plantations the slaves came to truly like the plantation owners. Some plantations however were not kind to slaves.

 

It wasnt invading

 

Obviously your political History of the United States is lacking

 

i seem to be teaching you things you allege you don't know.

 

Having a bad day Paperview ?

Try a little civility and drop the name calling and calling other PF members names like chuckles and gramps.

If you're a millennial snowflake, then never mind, I understand.

Do you know why the Union Army established Fort Drum in San Pedro, California during the Civil War ?

Most of the people living in Southern California were Democrats.

Drum Barracks

Established as a five company post originally named Camp San Pedro in January 1862, and located one mile from Wilmington, now a part of Los Angeles, this post until 1 December 1863 called itself Camp Drum; it was thereafter designated as Drum Barracks. It was named by the War Department in honor of Lieutenant Colonel Richard Drum, assistant adjutant general of the Department of California. When it was built, the Civil War was already being waged and the government considered California as a doubtful state on the question of slavery. The states northern half was about equally divided in its sympathies, but the southern half, particularly the area around Los Angeles, where at least 75 percent of the Americans had come from slave holding states, was strongly pro-secession. It was determined that California must be held loyal to the Union. Captain (later Major General) Winfeld Scott Hancock was sent to Los Angeles to establish a quartermaster depot, ostensibly to have his troops fight the Indians. But there were no Indians in the area. The government spent more than a million dollars on Drum Barracks, a very large sum of money then, Which judiciously expended could buy an appreciable amount of allegiance. While most other California posts were simple adobe structures roofed with corrugated iron, Drum Barracks was entirely different. The elegance of its officers' quarters impressed the inhabitants of Los Angeles.

Drum Barracks however. soon became a staging station for troops in transit. On April 13, 1862, Colonel (later Brigadier General) James Henry Carleton led an army of more than 2,000 California Volunteers from the post to begin the longest and most difficult march of the Civil War. His route was through Temecula to Arizona and New Mexico and to the Rio Grande Valley, then being invaded by Confederate armed forces. Drum Barracks, intermittently occupied during the war, was finally abandoned on November 7, 1871...

there's more -> http://www.militarymuseum.org/DrumBks.html

What did all of the Republicans who lived in the western area of Virginia in 1861 do ???

They did what the South did, except seceded from the state of Virginia and formed a new state, West Virginia.

 

Study his troop movements from the DC area to VA. That is an invasion.

 

You should read what I say before you comment on it

 

Invasions are of foreign countries Virginia wasn't a foreign country

 

Saying chuckles or gramps is a "name calling?"

When did Trumpers turn into such delicate little cupcake snowflakes?

Seriously? Did those words trigger you?

And FTR: I'm a grandparent. And Robby tells us often he is an old, old man.

As do you.