Flashback: FDR unveiled Robert E. Lee statue without controversy in 1936

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  1. Paperview

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    Slaves ate food!

    They wore clothes!


    Why the **** should they complain??

    yanno?
     
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    Did they spend time complaining? Almost all of us in the Army put in a fair time complaining. I guess slaves did.
     
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    Please point out any historical errors you discover. In fact Whittle asks that you do so at the beginning of the video. It seems the title is as far as you got.
     
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    It does seem Obama and Putin were working in concert.
     
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    Government is inevitably an ignorant brute. The US Army was hit by avoidable cholera epidemics repeatedly long after the Civil War.
     
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    Fake News creates Fake History
     
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    Robert,
    Both you and I know that former CSA General Robert E. Lee was no more of a traitor than Ulysses S. Grant, who by the way, petitioned President Abraham Lincoln, to pardon General Robert E, Lee, so all of this feigned concern that the Liberals of both the Left and Right of the political spectrum is nothing but hogwash. The Liberal display of violence and destruction of statues of a man who fought for his conviction, of a man who has been dead for over ONE HUNDRED YEARS, and has no possible way of effecting anything in 2017, is nothing but disingenuous fictional and deliberate actions to further corral and dupe Black people into thinking that they have our best interests at heart. Let us not forget that Liberal stronghold states are some of the most segregated states of the Union such as New York, California and Illinois.

    Do I remember slavery, Jim Crow, and the like; of course I do, being that some of my ancestry was slaves in this country. What I choose to do, is use their sacrifices as a reminder, so I do not become above myself, that I would not be alive today, had they not gone through what they did and persevered. I do not need anyone to remind me of the history of this nation because my parents and their siblings went through the madness; their parents suffered through the madness, and so on an so forth. To have a bunch of spoiled and pampered Leftist suburbanites to behave in destructive manners makes absolutely no sense on the face of it, but when you pay closer attention and follow the rhetoric of the Left, it becomes clear that they want to create a Critical Mass scenario in these United States so that their wealthy benefactors can institute a Communist, Marxist, Leninist, or whatever you want to call it, takeover of these United States of [North] America. This is what was done in Russia, which culminated in the CCCP (USSR) and other places in Europe and all over the planet. Liberals are a clear and present danger, in my opinion, and I will even go as far as to say the former Senator Joseph McCarthy was onto something when he did what he did. We are living in the aftermath of the first and second rounds of a Communist takeover. We are ow experiencing and witnessing “The Third Wave”.
     
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    posting a defense of slavery is disgusting
     
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    Pin the Tail on the DONKEY



    I love the title from the video's narrator.
     
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    The Communist Manifesto was written in mid Century just previous to the Civil War but didn't really gain hold until Lenin and others supplied the leadership to move it forward. Yet you're claiming that the Confederate side was already referring to Northerners, "literally", as Communists??

    I'd really appreciate a link to support this claim.
     
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    It's on tape, Obama was in collusion with the Russians during his 2012 reelection campaign.

    I wonder what the DNC, CNN and the Mad Cow over on MSNBC has to say about that ?
     
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    That true, but they also knew how to avoid them when possible, and the North had all kinds of transport options at their disposal; they had the railroads, controlled the rivers and coastlines, and far more than enough food to keep that from happening, no reason for those conditions to persist more than a week or two at most.
     
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    that and the $145 million Putin laid on Hillary, and Bill, Mark Podesta's sweetheart deals with Russia, all the good stuff.
     
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    Anybody interested in real history can read eyewitness reports from the era, including Fredrick Law Omstead's diary of his trip to Texas and what he saw along the way. His pages on the treatment of Irish and German laborers building the levees and working the docks at New Orleans is especially noteworthy, as it describes the contrast in treatments between white labor and black labor; guess who had the worst jobs and most dangerous? Guess which demographic makes up the 10's of thousands of human skeletons buried in those levees all up and down the river, left where they dropped dead on the job and just covered up by the construction?
     
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    That's what real history is learned from.

    There are tens of thousands of personal journals, and diaries that Americans kept back in the day.

    Women who kept diaries seem to have been more descriptive in their writing.

    Americans during the 1800's were writing fools. Another good source for history are letters. Before the telephone Americans corresponded with each other by writing letters to each other. And they kept those letters.


    The "Patton Papers" is nothing more than two volumes, 1,990 pages of all the personal letters that George Patton wrote and received from family and friends over his life time.

    https://www.amazon.com/Patton-Papers-Vol-1885-1940/dp/0395127068
    https://www.amazon.com/Patton-Papers-1940-1945-Martin-Blumenson/dp/0306807173
     
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    It was Obama who was working with Putin, and yet the lie of President Trump being complicit with Putin is still being circulated, even though it is known to be a lie.
     
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    I have the Patton diary he called, War as I knew it.
     
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    These IDOLS must remain in place. They are important to preserving the Dream of the 'People Who Think They Are White'.

    They should have been forged in GOLD, in the traditional manner of idols.

    Ref : "Between the World and Me"

    by Ta-Nehisi Coates
     
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    You are very new here and you will also get the hang of it.

    I want to cite two Robert E. Lee statues. First a huge one in Richmond Va. What is the name of the street? Monument St or Ave.

    What are up and down that famous road? Monuments. One is there to recognize Arthur Ashe. I don't see why his statue ought to remain and then have Robert Lee's removed.

    Even if you keep hating whites and keep hating the old time plantation owners, why deprive us today of those wonderful statues?

    PS, do not take this as directed at you as a person. i am trying to discuss words, not posters.
     
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    I've read it.

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    excerpts:
    The Model 1913 Cavalry Saber, commonly referred to as the Patton Saber, was a cavalry saber designed for the U.S. Army by Second Lieutenant (later General) George S. Patton in 1913. Patton suggested the revision from a curved sword and edge and cutting technique to a thrusting style of attack, following his extensive training in France.[1]

    It had a large, basket-shaped hilt mounting a straight, double-edged, thrusting blade designed for use by light cavalry. Although officially designated a saber, it lacks the curved edge typical of many models of saber.

    This weapon, the last saber issued to U.S. cavalry, was never used as intended. At the beginning of U.S. involvement in World War I, several American cavalry units armed with sabers were sent to the front, but they were held back. The character of war had changed, making horse-mounted troops easy prey for enemy troops equipped with Gewehr 98 rifles and MG08machine guns. Those cavalrymen who saw combat did so dismounted, using their horses only to travel similar to mounted infantry. Patton instead adapted his style of move forward and attack technique to his use of tanks in battle. This became his trademark combat style in World War II...


    According to KJ Parker, Patton's saber was light, slim, exceptionally ergonomic and well-balanced – in short, "more or less perfect, the best sword ever issued to an army."[10]Amberger, on the other hand, considered the weapon to be poorly suited for the cavalry use intended, since at the speed of a cavalry charge, a thrust that transfixed an opponent could not be withdrawn quickly enough, and thus the attacker must either abandon his blade, break his wrist or dislocate his sword arm by holding on to it, or risk worse consequences: "At worst, his dead opponent would drag him off his own horse—making him an unarmed foot soldier in an ocean of falling saber blades and trampling hooves."[11]

    Patton's 1914 manual "Saber Exercise 1914" outlined a system of training for both mounted and on-foot use of the saber. Patton's thoughts were expressed in his 1913 report "The Form and Use of the Saber". He expanded on his "Saber Exercise 1914" manual the next year, at the request of his students at the Mounted Service School in Fort Riley, Kansas, with the publication of "Diary of the Instructor in Swordsmanship".

    In the Peninsula War the English nearly always used the sword for cutting. The French dragoons, on the contrary, used only the point which, with their long straight swords almost always caused a fatal wound. This made the English protest that the French did not fight fair. Marshal Saxe wished to arm the French cavalry with a blade of a triangular cross section so as to make the use of the point obligatory. At Wagram, when the cavalry of the guard passed in review before a charge, Napoleon called to them, "Don't cut! The point! The point!"[5]

    In any case, when it was issued, it was already militarily obsolete because modern warfare did not allow the cavalry charges for which it was intended. According to Parker, "if it was ever drawn in anger, I can find no record of it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Model_1913_Cavalry_Saber
     
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    They should be removed if possible.

    "so-called Holocaust" lmao... You're an embarrassment of a human being.
     
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    Fake posturing over Confederate statues has all the moral weight of sniveling about the Hittites or Egyptians, and demanding their statues and culture be erased from the history books, merely hypocritical attention whoring by those who have run out of real political issues they can prove they support and will implement. Irrelevancies are all that is left for them to generate fake news and photo ops for themselves.
     
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    Yes, even before the Civil War drinking water downstream horses was a known risk. Nevertheless, the Army ignored the risk repeatedly long after the end of the war. Today the USG has more than enough resources to provide the very best healthcare to the veterans who have served it.
    Instead they give bonus checks to bureaucrats for denying medication and care to veterans - often killing them.

    Does the USG care more about its veterans than it did for the citizens of the defeated CSA?
     
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    They'll shrug it off and move on, as will all leftists. The idea is not to discuss or defend their positions but continue the assault on that of others. Usually this is not in the form of an alternate policy but by using terms like "Racist", Nazi", "White Supremacist", etc. That eliminates any risk of their own policies coming under attack or even being questioned.

    It's all about attack, no matter what the subject, and in terms easy enough for their targeted market to understand.
     
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