Florida proposes solution to supply chain crunch

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  1. Pro_Line_FL

    Pro_Line_FL Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    There is no need to state anything when you can undermine it by refusing it. IMO we will never reach herd immunity, so its becoming a moot point.
     
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    So it's an assumption that it is their goal? A large one at that, and quite obviously, not their reasoning. But apparently, some believe they know exactly what is people's intentions.

    You do understand there are legitimate reasons some people cannot take the injection?
     
  3. Pro_Line_FL

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    No, it is not a goal, or evil intent, its just the obvious outcome.

    Fear, even the irrational kind, is a legit reason.
     
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    So are there any other legitimate reasons to not receive the injection? Or is fear the only thing that you are aware of?
     
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    Not the only reason, just the most common one. Some people have allergies etc, but its not common.
     
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    Thank you for acknowledging that fact.
     
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    I do not support fed government mandates, and I think they should be challenged in the courts. Corporations, cities, States etc can decide on their own.
     
  8. LangleyMan

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    If it becomes endemic because of anti-vaxxers, we stand an excellent chance of wrecking the economy and having a deep recession--or worse. There is a 25% increase in Chinese imports as people switch from buying services here to goods from overseas. This can't go on like this much longer.

    Our last, best hope ... vaccine passports, unless so many unvaccinated types get covid that we reach herd immunity, or we get an effective treatment.

    I don't think Biden has the cojones to deal with the unvaccinated.
     
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    Have they managed to send the cargo ship captains a map with a flyer attached telling them?
     
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    The measles vaccine is developed with mRNA spike proteins..
     
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    Vaxed people are more dangerous then unvaxed, since they are not aware that they spread infection.
     
  12. LangleyMan

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    States decide? Okay. I want Oregon to force a 14-day quarantine on anyone unvaccinated who tries to enter the state. Schools should require everyone to be vaccinated. Unvaccinated Oregonians who leave Oregon should be quarantined if they try to come back. Quarantines should be limited to hotels under the supervision of enforcement officials. Vaccination passports for restaurants, bars, clubs, universities, gyms, air travel, trains, etc.
     
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    You're spreading anti-vaxxer nonsense.
     
  14. kreo

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    According to CDC the vaccine is only 50% effective, that basically means useless.
     
  15. LangleyMan

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    You're spreading misinformation.

    "The development of the mRNA vaccines is due to the work of hundreds of researchers, one of which is Robert Malone. Together with his co-authors, Malone contributed early evidence that mRNA could be delivered and produce proteins in cells. However, because crucial hurdles to develop the mRNA vaccines were resolved by many researchers , Malone cannot be claimed the inventor of this vaccine technology."

    https://healthfeedback.org/claimrev...eir-development-but-he-is-not-their-inventor/
     
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    Your spreading anti-vaxxer propaganda.

    "In terms of benefits, the available data from RCTs demonstrated that, compared with placebo, vaccination was associated with a lower risk of symptomatic laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 (relative risk [RR] 0.09, 95% confidence interval [CI] 0.07–0.11; evidence type 1), hospitalization due to COVID-19 (RR 0.02; 95% CI 0.00–0.12; evidence type 2), and death due to COVID-19 (RR 0.17, 95% CI 0.02–1.39; evidence type 2). The certainty of estimates regarding hospitalization and death due to COVID-19 was reduced due to imprecision.

    The pooled vaccine effectiveness estimates from observational studies were consistent with these findings. Compared with no vaccination, vaccination with Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine was associated with a decreased risk of symptomatic laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 (RR 0.07, 95% CI 0.05–0.13; evidence type 2), hospitalization (RR 0.06, 95% CI 0.03–0.12; evidence type 2), and death due to COVID-19 (RR 0.04, 95% CI 0.02–0.09; evidence type 2). The certainty of each of these estimates was increased for a strong association. Vaccination was also associated with a decreased risk of asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection (RR 0.11, 95% CI 0.10–0.12; evidence type 4); the evidence certainty type was downgraded for inconsistency."

    https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/recs/grade/covid-19-pfizer-biontech-vaccine.html
     
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    Which has NOTHING to do with spreading the infection.
    Thank you for proving my point.
     
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    So people who have not received the injection, yet have had and recovered from COVID, are on the plus side. That's good to know, since you are in the minority on that.

    If the 'passport' is pushed through for any reason, there is going to more than herd immunity to worry about. It goes against everything this country stands for, and right or wrong, there will be some serious repercussions from such a decision.
     
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    Damn few reasons, actually.
     
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    does Florida not have a port today?
     
  22. LangleyMan

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    Prevent? No, of course not. Limit transmission? Absolutely.
    You're punishing people for getting vaccinated?

    What should we do with unvaccinated people who get covid? Charge them if they need hospital treatment?
     
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    As far as I understand I think we ARE charging everyone who gets COVID for the full stay. I don't think anyone has tried to collect even from the Insurance Cos..... Yet.
     
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    You don't understand this stuff, do you? Maybe you could trad the cite...
     
  25. kreo

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    THere is nothing to understand.
    Vaccine is useless that is confirmed by CDC.
     

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