Fulton grand jury to hear Trump case early next week

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  1. Alwayssa

    Alwayssa Well-Known Member

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    LOL. This has nothing to do with race. The judicial system has shown complete deference to Trump and did not put him as some ordinary joe who would have been facing those charges. If that was the case, I can guarantee you that he would have posted bond, his passports seized, and arraigned. He he violated the conditions of his release on bond, his arse would be in jail right now, no if's, and's, or butt's. But hey, if you want to interject race into this, be my guest. That say more about you and Bluesguy for all the wrong reasons than it says about the DA no matter who they are, what race they are, and so forth. But the old Jim Crow expectations on Blacks I guess lives on with you and Bluesguy I guess. Go figure.
     
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  2. Egoboy

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    That's a little confusing.... let's try this

    - Defendants/Co Defendants will be named
    - Unindicted co-conspirators (if any) will not be named, following the federal guideline
    - State Witnesses will clearly not be named in an indictment, unless they also fall in category 1

    No fun not to guess... From the National Touring Cast, I'm watching Meadows and Graham as the more interesting thoughts..
     
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  3. Egoboy

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    Agree...the racial animus of the defendant is certainly something that needs to be considered... good point.
     
  4. Alwayssa

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    Since states handle their own elections, any outside influence on telling them what to do or how many votes they need is a big no no. In addition, we already know from his closes advisors that Trump already knew the election was lost and he accepted it privately, but not publicly. This goes to intent. For Georgia law, it is 21-2-604, which states, "(a) (1) A person commits the offense of criminal solicitation to commit election fraud in the first degree when, with intent that another person engage in conduct constituting a felony under this article, he or she solicits, requests, commands, importunes, or otherwise attempts to cause the other person to engage in such conduct."

    the evidence is the demanding to find 10000 votes so that he can show he won, the fake electors being given and a false certification of those election results, and a few others. The Grand Jury will look at all of this. And they will decide what is and what is not appropriate. They will hear from witnesses, presented evidence, and testimony. They may ask questions, and eventually decide. That is how the grand jury system works and it is wonderful, is it not?
     
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    If you continue to follow a media that lies to you, I'm not surprised you would feel this way. It's 100% political, with the thinnest of evidence compromised at every turn by a dual, corrupt justice system.
    But on the bright side, when Trump wins, he will be going after your people. The Genie is out of the bottle. The DoJ is now a legitimate enforcement arm of the president in charge. There is no way to go back to the way it was.
     
  6. Izzy

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  7. Bluesguy

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    Yes what do you think I am missing? Do you know what was actually said on the phone call? Is that what you are talking about.


    Or this new bogus charge that is being leaked out. You know where they asked a local election official to inspect the voting machines for any improprieties which of course is evidence to use in court and the local election officials said yes we can allow you such an inspection? That the election officials may not have had the authority to do so the matter not very clear?

    "
    “Just landed back in DC with the Mayor huge things starting to come together! Most immediately, we were just granted access — by written invitation! — to Coffee County’s systems. Yay!” reads one message from January 1, 2021, according to CNN. The message was sent in a group chat of colleagues from Sullivan Strickler, a law firm used by Trump’s team to review the voting systems in Coffee County, a rural Georgia county that Trump won by 70 percent.

    "The mayor” appears to refer to Trump’s then-lawyer, former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani.

    That “written invitation” was reportedly authored by former Coffee County elections official Misty Hampton, who falsely told the Trump team in the days after the election that Dominion voting machines could “very easily” change votes from one candidate to another. A Trump campaign official asked Hampton in an email to “obtain as much information as possible” about the voting situation in the county."

    Hampton and elections official Cathy Latham then appeared to help the Trump team access the Coffee County voting system, according to messages obtained by CNN. Surveillance footage reportedly shows Latham allowing unauthorized visitors to access the voting systems.
    https://www.nationalreview.com/news...olved-in-georgia-voting-system-breach-report/

    Sounds like some local officials may have allowed by their invitation inspection of the machines...........this is your next BIG THING?

    Do tell me what do you think I have been missing for the last two and half years that you have never pointed out before?
     
  8. Bluesguy

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    Can you narrow it down to just a couple of them that stand out to you? You have been saying you got him now well how can you know if you can't say what law was violated here, I look down the list and can find nothing that applies, how about you?
     
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    Actually it was by invitation of the local election officials who had told them that the machines could be manipulated, see above. Why shouldn't the Trump legal team have taken up the invitation to be shown how since that was one of their legal challenges? If the local officials did not have such authority to allow such inspections, if not them then who would, seems the case would be against them.
     
  10. Bluesguy

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    There you go dodging again. Feel free to quote from any part of the phone call transcription, in full context not a cherry picked couple of words, where the Trump side was asking for anything different than what I said. Quote the part that was a crime.
     
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    What makes you think I am following the media, whether it be Fox, CNN or whatever. When it comes to criminal trials, I really don't use CNN or others. I like to go where lawyers, real lawyers, really do talk about this. And there are a few websites that I use for this sort of thing.
     
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    That is what they said and if you are going to claim to be quoting the call then do so in FULL CONTEXT with a link to your source of it.

    A forensic audit "finds" fraudulent votes. Should fraudulent votes if found be removed from any tally?

    Here I'll help you out

    *"a real check of the signatures going back in Fulton County you’ll find at least a couple of hundred thousand of forged signatures"


    *"Trump: No, no you don’t. No, no you don’t. You don’t have. Not even close. You’re off by hundreds of thousands of votes. And just on the small numbers, you’re off on these numbers and these numbers can’t be just — well, why wont? — Okay. So you sent us into Cobb County for signature verification, right? You sent us into Cobb County, which we didn’t want to go into. And you said it would be open to the public. And we could have our - So we had our experts there they weren’t allowed into the room. But we didn’t want Cobb County. We wanted Fulton County. And you wouldn’t give it to us. Now, why aren’t we doing signature — and why can’t it be open to the public?

    And why can’t we have professionals do it instead of rank amateurs who will never find anything and don’t want to find anything? They don’t want to find, you know, they don’t want to find anything. Someday you’ll tell me the reason why, because I don’t understand your reasoning, but someday you’ll tell me the reason why. But why don’t you want to find?"

    *OK, whatever, it’s a disaster. It’s a disaster. Look. Here’s the problem. We can go through signature verification and we’ll find hundreds of thousands of signatures, if you let us do it. And the only way you can do it, as you know, is to go to the past. But you didn’t do that in Cobb County. You just looked at one page compared to another. The only way you can do a signature verification is go from the one that signed it on November whatever. Recently. And compare it to two years ago, four years ago, six years ago, you know, or even one. And you’ll find that you have many different signatures. But in Fulton, where they dumped ballots, you will find that you have many that aren’t even signed and you have many that are forgeries.

    OK, you know that. You know that. You have no doubt about that. And you will find you will be at 11,779 within minutes, because Fulton County is totally corrupt and so is she, totally corrupt.

    * I think you’re going to find that they are shredding ballots because they have to get rid of the ballots because the ballots are unsigned. The ballots are corrupt, and they’re brand new and they don’t have a seal and there’s the whole thing with the ballots. But the ballots are corrupt.

    * So look. All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have because we won the state.

    *Oh, I don’t know, look Brad. I got to get … I have to find 12,000 votes and I have them times a lot. And therefore, I won the state. That’s before we go to the next step, which is in the process of right now. You know, and I watched you this morning and you said, uh, well, there was no criminality.

    https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/03/politics/trump-brad-raffensperger-phone-call-transcript/index.html

    They wanted ILLEGAL, corrupt, fraudulent votes found and taken OUT of the count not illegal votes added INTO the count. What was illegal about that?
     
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    What’s illegal is all that **** is made up lol
    I noticed you left out the responses where he’s told repeatedly none of what he said was true lol
     
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    You beat me to it...
    Trump was reciting the Bigfoot Chronicles...
     
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    Good one.

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    there won't be enough buses for ReTHUGs to throw one another under". [​IMG]
     
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    I say again... GOVERNOR?? No Governor was on the line during the Trump/Raffensperger call..

    If you can get major details like that wrong, why should we believe a thing you post?
     
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    Because that's not how it works.. I mean, I don't know the process to challenge election machines, but I'm postitive you aren't even close.

    First off, you'd take it up with your state election officials, not candidates, and at the VERY minimum, you'd have to invite BOTH campaign legal teams to participate in any official review..

    Any of that ringing a bell?
     
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    Elections are LOCAL and the LOCAL officials contacted the Trump campaign claiming there may be irregularities and then sent them a FORMAL invitation to come and inspect the machines.
     
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    I wonder who is going to flip on Trump. GA is probably going to be his worst legal scenario.
     
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    Governor NOW.......call it a Freudian slip...........is this your lame attempt to avoid an actual response?

    Do try again

    Yes what do you think I am missing? Do you know what was actually said on the phone call? Is that what you are talking about.


    Or this new bogus charge that is being leaked out. You know where they asked a local election official to inspect the voting machines for any improprieties which of course is evidence to use in court and the local election officials said yes we can allow you such an inspection? That the election officials may not have had the authority to do so the matter not very clear?

    "
    “Just landed back in DC with the Mayor huge things starting to come together! Most immediately, we were just granted access — by written invitation! — to Coffee County’s systems. Yay!” reads one message from January 1, 2021, according to CNN. The message was sent in a group chat of colleagues from Sullivan Strickler, a law firm used by Trump’s team to review the voting systems in Coffee County, a rural Georgia county that Trump won by 70 percent.

    "The mayor” appears to refer to Trump’s then-lawyer, former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani.

    That “written invitation” was reportedly authored by former Coffee County elections official Misty Hampton, who falsely told the Trump team in the days after the election that Dominion voting machines could “very easily” change votes from one candidate to another. A Trump campaign official asked Hampton in an email to “obtain as much information as possible” about the voting situation in the county."

    Hampton and elections official Cathy Latham then appeared to help the Trump team access the Coffee County voting system, according to messages obtained by CNN. Surveillance footage reportedly shows Latham allowing unauthorized visitors to access the voting systems.
    https://www.nationalreview.com/news...olved-in-georgia-voting-system-breach-report/

    Sounds like some local officials may have allowed by their invitation inspection of the machines...........this is your next BIG THING?

    Do tell me what do you think I have been missing for the last two and half years that you have never pointed out before?
     
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    Yeah right, make more excuses.

    Another reminder of an 1/6 insurrectionist getting his due.
    https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/doj-unseals-new-jan-6-arrest/story?id=101903106
    A Kentucky man was arrested Tuesday on charges that he joined the pro-Trump mob during one of the most violent stand-offs with law enforcement at the Lower West Terrace tunnel.

    Keep making false accusations and getting other people in trouble because of it.
     
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    Or anything in the phone call, I gave you the link to it.

    Where does Trump ask for fraudulent votes to be created and put in the count?

    You are free to quote whatever you want from the transcript but that doesn't not matter, he believed it and that is for what he was asking.
     
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    It does not need to be considered. It is simply that he is rich and he is the former President. This would happen if Obama was facing charges in the federal or state court system.
     
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    So you are arguing that Trump will be a totalitarian, a dictator, full politicization of the FBI and DOJ, fire all federal judges who ruled against him, all federal employees who don't take a personal oath of loyalty to him, and so forth? That is not democracy or the rule of law, is it. But again, you are not accepting the fact that the rule of law has been taken. Trump is still innocent until proven guilty. He has been charged, Now, it is up to his attorneys to argue in court, which our founding fathers wanted and desired, that any criminal charges be tried with an impartial jury,. And yet you and your cohorts are afraid of that. I wonder why?
     
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    And they could be paying for that poor decision, perhaps as soon as Tuesday....

    So you think it's OK to invite one campaign in to "inspect the machines" without the other campaign present? Interesting take there...

     
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