Gay Marriages Should Be Denied.

In other words are prohibited. And nice homophob argument.

And if homosexuals can't marry between them, then is banned. Ah, homosexuals also include lesbians, just to inform you.

 

Nice argument, but without meaning in today days.

 

While marriage is a form of strengthening family relations I do not think that is a good reason to deny gay people the right to marry. Divorce rates are sky-rocking, abortion is up, single parents with children is up... All of this without the regular "Gays will destroy the institution of marriage" argument. Heterosexual people have already destroyed that institution.

The fact that two heterosexual people can get married and gain benefits and protections from the government that two homosexual consenting adults cannot receive make the practice discriminatory.

Originally marriage was about trading property (the wife) to the husband so looking at history is also a bad argument unless you are arguing for going back to this practice...

Marriage should be delegated to the church, if a church wants to marry two men then they can, if they don't want to that is their decision. I think the government should stay out of the business of two adults wanting to form a union. BUT if they want to provide benefits it is discriminatory to deny people based on their sexual orentation. Civil unions would be a good fix for this situation.

Civil Unions = Union verified by the government, any benefits the government wants to place on these goes to all.

Marriage = Union verified by the church. No benefits. End of story.

 

JohnnyC

IT COSTS A LOT OF MONEY. How about YOU pay for it selectively and NOT ME? Civil rights, OK, stealing taxpayer money under the disguise of civil rights, NOT OK.

Have you researched the etiology of the concept of gay marriage? Isn't is coincidental that it started ramping up right around when AIDS drugs were becoming available? Perhaps you do not understand the healthcare costs associated with this type of decision, however, others do. Focus your efforts on real universal healthcare and not discriminatory Obamacare and maybe you have a point.

"How about we don't change a fraking thing... and we let gay people marry anyway?

I say "eliminate" the bigoted stupidity!"

 

Have you considered that millions of homosexuals PAY TAXES? Get real! We're going to fight for rights whether you like it or not.

There is no "stealing". WTF are you talking about?!

Regardless, it should be granted. Some may not want it, and that means they should NOT go into gay marriage themselves. If two adult, consenting people want to get married, then let them (unless there is some reasonable exception to allowing them to do so). But you can't and should not just EXCLUDE ALL GAYS from the same; it is simply prejudicial and ultimately unjust.

Okay, you may see a connection, but whether you prove it or not means little/nothing.

Heterosexual people acquire AIDS as well. Even so, I'm back to the simple fact that homosexuals PAY TAXES and operate as an integral part of this society. I understand a great deal of all you speak of.

That's not part of this topic, but here is the short version of my reply: SINGLE PAYER or PUBLIC OPTION. ('Nuff Said!)

Exactly!!

And I think this nation is LONG OVERDUE for accomplishing just that!

 

If we let gays get married, everyone else will turn gay! If you touch a gay person you will become gay because being gay is catching.

If we allow gay marriage people will want to marry their dogs, or the car, or the picket fence!

If we allow gay marriage they'll have to adopt kids and brainwash them into becoming little gay soldiers, when brainwashing them into becoming Christian soldiers is so much more beneficial!

If we allow gay marriage, priests will have no time to themselves, they'll be spending all their spare time praying for the sinners out there!

We should allow gay marriage because it is wrong and evil and we were already heading down the wrong path when we moved blacks from the cotton fields and gave them their civil rights!

/end argument

http://www.mamamia.com.au/relationships/17-arguments-against-gay-marriage-and-why-theyre-bollocks/

Good link above. Goes through all the arguments and tosses them in the trash.

 

Thanks for the link!

 

I find it amusing that you cant detect a distinction narrower than the broad side of a barn.

 

Of course, when you say "two adult, consenting people" you mean GAY people. Thus the term "Gay Marriage"

 

Your distinction is nothing more than a fog to distract the main point.

Procreation is not a requirement of marriage, it is a moot point. There are plenty of straight couples who do not have children.

Would you like to use the same argument, or continue chasing your tail?

 

The fact that procreation isnt a requirement of marriage has no effect whatsoever upon my argument. Not sure why you keep bringing it up.

 

Thanks for essentially repeating exactly what I meant to say. My primary response is... well... 'yes'.

 

Yes, it DOES affect your argument; most everyone has told you that, and you're obstinate about it.

That's what we keep telling you about "procreation".

 

Yeah, what you actually say and what you mean are often contradictory.

 

Yes, again and again "told" us it was so. None of you have managed to even string together a few words in a coherent order to state why it is irrelevant. Just again and again and again declaring that procreation is irrelevant because its not required.

 

.... and yet you continue to cite procreation.

Why?

 

Yes, as opposed to a requirement of procreation that you people keep responding with

 

dixon, you have yet to properly explain the meaning of your posts. Until you do, you'll be questioned about the words you use.

I admit I enjoy this 'banter' occasionally; maybe you do also and that is why you keep doing the same thing over and over. At the very least, you could define what procreation means to YOU in all of this discussion. For most of us, it is a wonder that you keep using that word at all, within the context of this discussion. Really, it's a bit like me bringing up marriage "license" fees as I discuss the topic of gays and/or gay marriage.

Anyway, I hope you explain things eventually.

 

That is far from answering the simple question.

 

"Why", because procreation is why marriage has been limited to a man and a woman for 1000s of years.

Only combining a man and a woman creates fathers, mothers and their children.

 

Dont be a fool. Are you so clueless, that at this point you STIlLL dont even yet comprehend my position. Sheeesh

Marriage, is limited to heterosexuals, because only heterosexuals procreate.
AS OPPOSED TO marriage being limited to heterosexuals because all heterosexuals procreate. I know, narrower than the broad side of a barn so beyond your capacity to comprehend, BUT TRY!

 

I understand what you are trying to say but using that logic anyone over the age of 60-65 should not allowed to be married if they are not already.

How about the people that are unable to have children or unwilling to do so? Or do they get to benefit simply because they are straight?

How can you fail to see how discriminatory this is?

And please don't use "it is what the word marriage means" as I have already linked that marriage was originally intended to trade the wife as property.

 

No, because they are a man and a woman. My brother and I are straight, but we are prohibited from marriage. My platonic friend and I are straight, but the law allows for annulment of such a marriage for a failure to consummate the relationship. Marriage is limited to heterosexual couples because they are the only ones who procreate. AND just because 60+ year olds COULD be excluded, does not imply that they must. As well, the fact that they do allow 60+ yr olds to marry does nothing for your arguments advocating including gays.

 

BUT... NONE of what you're saying matters significantly in THIS DISCUSSION!!

Oh, and the price of wedding licenses is too high in New York!! (Darn!)

Got it?! I hope so.

 

Why they must not have the same rights?

Again. Why discriminate them. Marriage is simply a contract to confirm the love between two people, no more than that.