General Patton's quotes on Russia and the Russians

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  1. Herkdriver

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    Patton got it right.


     
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    That's what Hitler thought when Russia was still weak and most of its officers had been executed, but I'll say this; we would have been swallowed up by the Russkies by Halloween of whatever year we went in. You don't beat thousands of T-34s with third rate Shermans. I'm glad Patton's superiors all thought he was a loose cannon.
     
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    We had the atomic bomb, they did not at that point...we should have dropped one right down the Kremlin chimney on to Stalin's lap. We had the long range B-29 bomber and could have established bases in Germany..and bombed them all the way to Siberia...none of their fighters could match an escorted B-29 high atltitude bomb run. The first thing the Russians do is reverse engineer the B-29, and steal atomic secrets to build their own bombs. Devious SOBs.

    Patton was murdered for speaking the truth.

     
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    Patton was wrong. Frankly even suggesting that the Third Army alone could have taken on the Soviets was ignorant. The Soviets did have an air force and they had more armor and armor that was superior to any American armor, and more artillery and more infantry- all battle hardened. The only advantage we had was air power.

    Americans had no appetite for another war- especially not with who had been touted as an American ally for 4 years. The atomic bomb eventually would have been an equalizer- but at what cost?

    Instead we had a cold war- and then the wall fell.

    Things turned out pretty well for the U.S.- certainly much better than if we charged into a hot war with the Soviets. Instead we let them defeat themselves.
     
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    GraspingforPeace Well-Known Member

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    Sure, just as the Red Army would basically overrun Europe and destroy everything they found in retaliation for our hubris in thinking that a nuclear weapon or two would be able to stop the Ruskies.
     
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    The Reich was able to kill 1 out of every 10 Russians....
    14 Million casualties....with 1930s era bombers.


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    This thread is willdly racist and so are you. You should feel bad for taking Patton's comments on race knowing that back then blacks werent even human beings.
     
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    Uh, I'm hoping you know that Germany didn't kill the Russians with just bombers. They lost upwards of five million men in the Eastern Front.

    The Red Army had over 12 million men at the end of the war. AND they had reached the heartland of Germany. You're an insane arm-chair general if you think that any army in Europe, even with bombers, would somehow be able to stop such an onslaught. You keep trying to claim that it would be easy, but it wouldn't have been. Nobody wanted another war at the time. There were contingencies, of course, but what you're basically talking about is WWIII directly after WWII. Sure, idiots that welcome mass death would want this, but nobody else did.
     
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    The majority of Soviet deaths occurred on the battlefield through attrition, not through bombing. The Luftwaffe had no long-range bombers capable of penetrating deep into Russia and getting back. The Heinkel 111, for example, had a range of around 1400 miles-that's 700 in and 700 out. Berlin to Moscow is just under 1000 miles.
    So, no long-range fighter escort, relatively short-range bombers, a host of very capable Soviet fighter aircraft waiting for them...see what I'm getting at?
     
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    They had the Sturmovik, the best tank buster in the world at the time. And they had thousands of them.
     
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    Indeed, and the Il-2 was widely acknowledged as the best ground attack aircraft of WW2. They also had the fast and agile Yakovlev Yak-3 which, with a top speed of 450mph could out-perform and fly rings around both the Me109 and Fw190, being around 50mph faster than either. Losses suffered by the Luftwaffe to the Yak resulted in an official directive to avoid engaging them...
     
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    Wow! Crazy Nazi Patton still have a follower!
     
  13. Herkdriver

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    The Soviets didn't have a nuclear stockpile until 1950 and didn't have a competitive stockpile until the 1960's. We could have defeated Russia before they obtained nuclear weapons and before revolutionary China would get involved.

    yes of course I'm the rascist...meanwhile in Russia...
    Xenophobia on the rise

    http://www.theatlantic.com/internat...why-russia-is-growing-more-xenophobic/280766/

    http://www.worldpolicy.org/blog/2013/06/07/racism-russia-how-moscow-capitalizes-xenophobia
    http://www.afpc.org/publication_listings/viewArticle/2076
    http://www.isn.ethz.ch/Digital-Library/Articles/Detail/?lng=en&id=95638
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    Patton, one of America's greatest all time Generals, was probably murdered by his own noble and righteous government during the birth of the New World Order of Communism, because he wouldn't go along with the lies of the Allied powers. He expressed deep regret about destroying the Germans and making Bolshevik savages the masters of the Earth, and would have been a severe thorn in the side of those that were in the process of writing a very skewed history of the world in order to justify what had been done. There was no room in the criminal narrative of what had happened in the second World War for Patton to live out his life telling the American people that we had just essentially destroyed Western civilization by siding with the Soviet Union.

    He was probably the last great American. It's fitting that the U.S. government was probably responsible for his murder.

    If only he could have seen into the future. He would have turned his army around.
     
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    Lol...What a load of ignorant twaddle. Chicken Little is alive and well in right-wing land.
     
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    Well, good to know Patton is a racist (not surprised really though).

    However, I almost wonder if, on some level, it would have been worth it to just keep going right past Berlin, all the way to Moscow and chop the head off that mustachioed psychopath. Maybe Eastern Europe would have ended up more like Western Europe if we did.

    WW2 was a three way fight where two of the sides tried to beat each other by taking as much as they could from the third side while being, ultimately, too afraid in the end to fight each other after seeing how the stomped all over the third side. The West only half won WW2. We left Stalin there to do as he pleased, simply because he had enough of a self-preservation instinct that unlike Hitler he didn't attack us so we didn't attack him, even though he was no better and did not deserve to live.
     
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    Eisenhower was the master and Patton was his pit bull. This can be seen in two places; the title of John Eisenhower's chapter about Patton and Eisenhower entitled, "Ike and Patton: The Master and the Pit Bull."[94] General Doolittle said the same thing, that when Eisenhower released Patton, it was like releasing an English pit bull, once you let him go it was hard to make him stop.[95] This is why Patton could not be the commander of D-Day; this invasion had to go perfectly, and Bradley was given the job over Patton.
     
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    Herk- I really do not get how you really believe this. Yes- 1941 Reich was almost able to beat 1941 Soviets, but by 1945, the Soviet Union was fielding what were arguably the finest tanks and tank destroyers of 1945. Seriously Shermans and M-36's versus T-34/85's, JSUII's and SU-152's. And masses of them.

    The Soviets had masses of battle hardened infantry and experienced artillerymen who were at the apex of feeling patriotic about the Motherland. Even their air force was nothing to be ignored.

    Meanwhile the United States had a second war to finish in the Pacific- at the end of European Operations troops were being organized to send to the Pacific- no one knew if the bomb would really work- and the invasion of Japan was expected to be far bloodier than that of Germany.

    And as I pointed out before- in 40 years the Soviet Union destroyed itself.

    - - - Updated - - -

    I keep looking- but I can't find anything that is true in your post.
     
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    Yer a riot, dude. :)
     
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    The Sturmovik was a very capable plane- and I would agree- the best tank buster in the world at the time.

    Mind you- I concede Soviet superiority in both numbers and quality in armor. Their infantry was probably the equivalent of the U.S. though they had more of them. Soviets had vast amounts of good artillery. So I am not discounting what the Soviets were good at.

    The United States had better command and control, more radio's, more trucks, more half tracks. And we had a better air force. Our B-29's were focused on Japan at the time, and frankly they would have been wasted.

    What we had was the finest fighter force in the world in 1945- especially long range fighters. We had thousands of P-51's- but they wouldn't have been knocking the IL-2 out of the sky- that could have been done by P-47's and P-38's. The P-51's would have been clearing the skies of soviet fighters.

    The IL-2 was a great plane, but like all such planes, it really depended on air superiority and the U.S. would have been able to prevent its effective use against American forces.

    Whatever though- it would have been a bloodbath on both sides. I do not understand any reasoning behind the idea that we need to lose a million American men to save Russians from their own government.
     
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    omg (shakes head)
     
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    So you're shaking your head at the fact that the USSR had mega-ton nuclear weapons pointed at your house?
    I fail to see the humor in that or irony...

    You do realize that the former USSR are mortal enemies to the United States? You think it's just a bunch of cub scouts making paper airplanes and trash talking? They have trained their men and women to kill Americans...and the only thing that did not bring this to fruition was matching them ...tank for tank...airplane for airplane...submarine for submarine, nuclear missile for nuclear missile...that's the only reason all of Europe, all of Asia is not under the Kremlin's control.

    Seems to me when America had the upperhand, we should have sent the Bolshehviks to an early grave...despite what the "know it alls" are saying...

    The Soviet strategy for war fighting was to throw warm bodies at the enemy...eventually even that runs out.
    By VE day, 10 million Soviet troops were dead...that is 20 times the casualty rate endured by America. We had the long range, high altitude bomber in the form of the B-29 and the long range fighter escort in the form of the P-51D. The Soviets could not match either of these...at altitudes approaching 30,000 feet. Eventually the Soviets would run out of warm bodies to throw at the enemy.

    Now perhaps in the mind of the Liberal/Progressive, the Russians aren't so bad, they are just misunderstood...no there is nothing to understand about them we don't already know..if you're an American...they are your enemy..nothing has cnanged since 1945...Nothing.

    We had a very real opportunity to crush them, Patton knew this...a window of opportunity, and it quickly closed.
     
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    We use atomic bombs on Russia and the Russians would have used their spy network to spread smallpox, bubonic plague, and ricin in the West.
     
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    If the Russians had the wherewithall in 1945 for biological weapons they would have used them on the Germans...
    as it is the raped and pillaged throughout occupied Germany.

    So we appease the Mongols out of fear?
    We do the same to them, until quite possibly the population itself is eradicated.

    The Cold War is not over, there's a distinct and very real possibility America will face Russia and/or China on a futuristic battlefield.

    Seems to me, the only time in history America had a legitimate opportunity to defeate the Soviets was shortly after VE day.

    We will fight them one day, I can promise you.
     
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    So your idea is that we should have committed genocide out of fear of a possible future conflict?

    Do you understand that on V-E day, we only had three atomic bombs, had never even tested one, and could only produce them at a rate of one roughly every few months. On top of that, we only had about a dozen silverplate B-29's (the only version that could carry the atomic bomb). Sure, we could launch a blitz attack on the three largest Russian cities, and then twiddle our thumbs for the months that it would take for the next device to be ready, by which time the Russian ground forces would have overrun Europe, probably taking hundreds of thousands of allied forces captive, who then would have become very public hostages/human shields in the remaining Russian cities.
     

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