Germany mulls reintroduction of compulsory military service

Everyone is shadow boxing, but it is time for NATO to remind Vlad that if it were not for him there would not be a need for NATO.
The Western European nations are so socialized they don't have any fight left in them. If Vlad was smart he would say he was walling off the western low quality population invading him!

 

we finally realized how stupid and pointless the war was.

 

Yep. You take everything your country offers, but never give anything back.

This is about Germany, not US, but in case of US, leaving the country could be offered as am alternative, so those people who see service as "tyranny" or "anti freedom" are free to leave.

No need for tricks. You'll be allowed to leave, and someone will hold the door open for you and say "bon voyage".

Unless you were a millionaires son (the fortunate son) with bone spurs....

Some will always find a way to wiggle their way out of it, but it will be a smaller percentage, and if they are physically or mentally unfit, like Trump was, the fighting force is better off without them.

 

Why do you assume no one would give back? If anything, it would increase people's willingness to defend their country if they knew they were truly free, and it wasn't just a shallow illusion of propaganda. I myself am completely against conscription, but served 20 years as an infantryman. If you are so keen to live under tyranny, there are plenty of countries that YOU can leave to. We'll keep America truly free, thanks.

 

I think you just have a convoluted idea of "freedom" and "tyranny", because it suggests that fighting to defend your freedoms is tyranny. I have already said that US is blessed with such large population that we can opt for fully voluntary military, while smaller countries would have all their freedoms taken from them unless they fight to defend them, and due to the numbers they simply cannot count on everyone to volunteer to train . They'd probably be willing to fight when the enemy is already at the gates, but it's too late because the time to prepare has passed.

Is jury duty "tyranny"?

 

I didn't serve to go to Viet Nam, it was my turn. I don't think very many of the military personnel wanted to be there.

 

I'm not sure young people will rush to volunteer but I'm sure the ranks will get filled.

 

Preventing the communist takeover of Southeast Asia was "stupid" and "pointless ?! WTF!!

 

Yes. Very.

 

Why?

 

....I'm assuming that the German conscripts will be for the Russian army?
Germany has grown closer to Russia lately....and prone to telling them everything that's going on in NATO from the comfort of hotel rooms....oh dear.....

 

Disagreeing with an ideology is one thing. Killing for it is just absurd. The entire 'Red Scare' would be comedic if it wasn't so horrific.

We could have EASILY brought Ho Chi Minh to our side if we had not betrayed him after WW2. The only reason Ho Chi Minh became communist is because the West would not not help him. He had no one else to turn to. Had we told France to go **** themselves when they wanted our help in getting their colonies back, It would have been a simple thing to make an ally of Ho Chi Minh, and establish Western institutions and capitalism within all of Vietnam without a senseless war that killed millions.
But regardless of that, why would we go to war to stop the spread of communism? Its their country. If they want communism, that's their business, not ours. Sticking our nose in the business of other countries, and killing millions in the process, is just stupid, immoral, and insane.

 

It is "stupid, Immoral, and insane" to stand by and allow communism to spread. You ever read "The Black Book of Communism which details the staggering and tragic human costs of Communism.

 

I'm not saying there isn't, but when your 'solution' to communism is getting millions killed, the cure becomes worse than the disease, ESPECIALLY when we lose anyway, making us look like not only immoral, but also as just plain old losers.
If a country chooses to be communist, that is THEIR business. Their own people can deal with that if they don't like it. Many are perfectly fine with it, and actually prefer it. That is their business, not ours.

And once again, Vietnam became communist because the west ignored and betrayed them. Ho Chi Minh was extremely friendly with the USA after WW2, and Roosevelt was totally against France and their desire to put Vietnam back in chains. Truman betrayed Ho Chi Minh, completely changing our policy in Vietnam, ending in disaster and tragedy.

 

Your lack of knowledge of Vietnamese history is noted.

 

Millions died establishing the dominance of Communism.

 

Uncle Ho was always a communist, working with him was an alliance of convenience but he was never going to subscribe to western democracy.

 

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If a country chooses to be communist, that is THEIR business. Their own people can deal with that if they don't like it. Many are perfectly fine with it, and actually prefer it.
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prove it. You can't of course

 

Which is apparently far more than your own.

 

Why? They haven't been in many wars since WWII and virtuallly all have been with NATO. I can understand why they might fear Russia but there isn't anything involving them on the horizon.

 

Millions more died in attempts to remove it, including our own soldiers. All of it a total waste of time, treasure, and lives.

 

Exactly wrong. I was drafted into the Army in 1967 in order to defend other countries unnecessarily. Federal government will do what it wants to do regardless of whether the military is volunteer or conscripted.

 

You live in a free country because people fought, bled and died to make it that way and keep it that way. You don't think it was worth it?

I'm starting to doubt your American credentials, sir.

 

Because of French colonialism, which made Vietnam suffer inhumane treatment to fuel 'capitalism' in the western world. There was NEVER any upside to capitalism for Ho Chi Minh, but we could have changed that. Ho Chi Minh was a patriot first, and a communist out of convenience. If partnering with the USA would have made Vietnam stronger, rather than just being exploited by the west as it had been to that point, then things could have been much different. Our betrayal cemented in his mind that the West was just about exploiting Vietnam, and her wasn't wrong.

 

That is exactly my point on why conscription is wrong. It gives the government the ability to wage unnecessary wars that people have no interst in fighting.