Gun Control needs to be instituted

nah. they will just do everything possible to make it a hassle to use guns legally and hope that will eventually kill off shooting sports, Democrats have clearly demonstrated that fact

 

Mexico's crime rate is only 6.38 point higher than the US. Not quite as 'off the charts' as you think. And as you point out...government has a big monopoly of crimes against its population.

 

I like the idea of decentralizing power-be it political or firepower.

 

What is so hard about getting a gun today that would cause people to stop buying them? Doesn't seem all that hard to me to buy a gun and I live in a blue state with pretty strict gun laws.

 

1)there is no good reason why democrats banned the sale of machine guns even when sold with the hassles of the 1934 NFA given there had not been a murder with a legally owned machine gun in private hands since before WWII
2) Rhode Island just made it a felony to own normal capacity magazines
3) Oregon did something similar-Democrats have passed idiotic magazine restrictions in a bunch of states-a particularly stupid law
4) in every case, those who pass that crap say it's a "good first step" do you think if crime continues, they will stop?

 

Let me try this again....What is so hard about getting a gun today that would cause people to stop buying them? Because none of the things you mentioned prevents anyone from buying weapons.

 

So what you're saying is is people with a CCW commit far less homicide than the general public.

 

It's a common argument with the left. That's why they include suicides in their "gun violence" category.

 

what state do you live in? you apparently ignore incremental attempts to make guns too expensive or too much of a hassle to use

 

If you say so.

I speak for myself, and I stand by what I said.

 

Oh so you weren't aware that it's a common argument by the left.

Sure.

 

Criminals like all human beings estimate the odds. I doubt that many would pull a gun if it was known that even 10% of the general public carried concealed handguns.

 

MA implemented an assault weapons ban MANY years ago. Those currently owned were grandfathered in. Meaning anyone who owned one at the time the ban was implemented was allowed to keep and use it. In other words, not a hassle to use.
MA implemented a ten round mag limit MANY years ago. Also grandfathered high capacity mags. In other words, not a hassle.
I happened to get into guns AFTER both bans. There have been no further state gun-related bans since. No special gun or ammo taxes added on.
So by all means explain to me what these incremental attempts to make guns too expensive or too much of a hassle to use that I supposedly have been ignoring.

 

Gun control is gun control no matter what country has enacted it. Cultures are the things that breed violence not guns.

 

I disagree. I’m willing to bet that if everyone were carrying on 9-11 then 9-11 would have never happened. Schools on the other hand is a different topic because we wouldn’t want kids running around with guns although it was normal back when I went to school to have a shotgun in your truck to go hunting ducks at lunch or after school. But that was a different day and age. When kids were allowed to fight their anger away (to an extent). I believe our modern culture is the problem. Not guns

 

well Rhode Island decided to retroactively ban magazines that hold normal capacities. You don't think your Democrats would do that if there is another shooting in Boston with a grandfathered weapon or magazine? What has happened in NJ California and Oregon? what about someone moving to Mass. what do those grandfather magazines cost (and how the hell do they stop someone from say driving to a free state and buying a ton of them-I have dozens upon dozens of AR 15 magazines and none of them have a date or serial number on them. )

 

So you want people carry guns on planes? My lord....sigh.
The sanest thing you've said is bolded above. I agree 100%

 

What’s so crazy about having arms on a plane? I think that 9-11 is a perfect example of what happens to sheep when you act like sheep

 

Please stop conflating. RI has nothing to do with MA and what RI did does not prevent people from continuing to buy guns.
I don't think you understand how the grandfather clause works. It's for those who owned mags at the time of the ban. There are no grandfathered mags to buy. One would simply buy ten round mags now. Or sure, one could take the time to travel to another state and buy high capacity mags. Certainly an option.

 

How do you plan on disarming criminals who have guns?

 

No, it really is not.

The same is true about how laws can be applied and how effective they become.

 

Actually it is not. Not too long ago NJ banned mags with capacity over 10 rounds with no grandfathering. Made scores of law abiding citizens felons if they did not comply even though they may have purchased their mags legally.
The ATF just ruled that pistol braces make pistols into SBRs even though they said differently before and people purchased them legally. Now they are no ;onger so without grandfathering.

 

Yes, gun control is gun control no matter what. They are all just laws.

Cultures of law and order will obviously abide more closely to law. However we have a governing body that can’t even abide by law or the constitution so I doubt our culture is very high on the law and order side

 

It is conflating because it has nothing to do with MA laws regarding mags, which is what we were talking about.

 

no we are talking about how democrats are making owning and using firearms by the law abiding a hassle. Do you honestly think the people who pushed something as stupid as gun bans in your state are going to stop with that