Gun safe company hit with backlash for providing FBI with code to customer's safe

On the other hand, billionaire tech entrepreneur Elon Musk posted, “Liberty Safe had no choice here and are not to blame.”

 

That has already been addressed. They were objectively not required to give over a pass code and did anyways.

 

I have seen both stated — one that the judge issued a warrant to access the safe from the manufacturer and another saying they had authority to the contents of the safe. In the first it wouldn’t have been voluntary compliance but legal compliance, the second would have been voluntary based on the status of the warrant.

Unless they release the warrant then it could be either.

 

Link?

 

They have to have specific warrants to cut open safes.

 

The warrant was to search the property in Arkansas. It didn't have anything to do with forcing Liberty Safe to hand over the pass code.

 

Elon disagrees. As did the company’s lawyers. What’s your expertise?

 

It wasn't voluntary. The FBI tricked Liberty Safe into thinking they had no choice. That's illegal. It called "deprivation of rights under color of law" 18 USC 242:

"This provision makes it a crime for someone acting under color of law to willfully deprive a person of a right or privilege protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States."

 

Quote the company's lawyers.

 

Without the code, the F.B.I. could still break into the safe, legal specialists said, as long as it had probable cause to believe items covered by the warrant — such as illegal guns or drugs — might be found inside.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/08/...ode, the F.B.I.,drugs — might be found inside.

 

Geez y’all and your dime store law degrees

 

Lawyers have opinions? As does Elon? Shocking. There are no such things as SME in law. It’s an asinine claim.

 

You dont need law degrees to understand law. It’s philosophy lmaooo.

 

Here's Liberty Safe admitting the ****ed up...

"Going forward we will require a subpoena that legally compels Liberty Safe to supply access codes but can only do so if these codes still exist in our system."

 

Looks like I'm a hell of a lot more familiar with the law than you are.

 

Obviously they didn't have probable cause to break in. Hence, they lied to Liberty Safe to get the pass code. Probably didn't think they would get busted for lying about a warrant.

 

I read you article at link and it appears that the warrant did not have Liberty’s name on it, only the home owners name.

Asking me to prove that a document doesn’t exist is kinda like asking an atheist to prove that God doesn’t exist. I’m not all knowing.

It should be the job of those claiming it does exist to provide proof, or simply admit they believe it does thru faith.

 

Liberty’s policy to provide access codes to a safe that is on a property listed in a warrant and not specifically requiring Liberty by law to provide the access codes is the problem.

 

Sure, there was a search warrant. But, the search warrant wasn't to search Liberty Safe's records.

Not only that, Liberty Safe gave the pass code to FBI on the phone. They did even see the warrant. They just took the FBI's word for it.

 

The really incredible thing to me is the FBI is still looking for anyone who was in DC and managed to find this guy. WTF is wrong with them? How much time and effort did it take to investigate if this guy was there?

 

Apparently they had a warrant for the contents of the safe. They had a right to see what was inside, but not the ability.

So they asked someone for the code. That company might or might not have had the legal obligation to provide the code, but it doesn’t seem they were legally prohibited from providing it. Since there was a warrant, it certainly wasn’t illegal for the FBI to ask.

 

Maybe a poor decision from a marketing perspective. Maybe stupid. But I don’t see anything illegal.

 

Liberty didn't commit a crime, but they betrayed the trust of their customers. The FBI violated the Constitution.

 

The company had no legal obligation to comply, without a court order compelling it to do so.

It was illegal for the FBI to say they had a warrant, when the warrant had nothing to do with Liberty Safe Co.

 

How did the FBI violate the constitution if they had a warrant for the safe and its contents?