Gun safe company hit with backlash for providing FBI with code to customer's safe

They had a warrant for the address in Arkansas. They didn't have a warrant for Liberty Safe Co in Utah.

 

That’s fine, but it isn’t illegal to ask questions. If someone voluntarily gives them an answer … what’s the crime?

 

The FBI presented a warrant, over the phone. Law enforcement can't lie about having a warrant.

 

Have you got a link to back up your assertion that the FBI lied to Liberty?

 

No, not even liberty is claiming that.

 

I never said they definitely lied. I said the FBI presented the warrant to the Liberty Safe Co. over the phone. There's no way to know what the conversation entailed. The FBI can't lie about having a warrant.

Context is important.

 

And we have already done so by showing there was a warrant for the contents of the safe and Liberty complied — either voluntarily or legally.

 

Have you got a link to say they “presented the warrant over the phone”?

 

You really think FBI agents took the warrant all the way to Utah, from Arkansas to show it to them in person?

 

They could easily have had the local office show up with a copy.

You have no evidence that the FBI lied to Liberty. You have no evidence the the FBI “presented the warrant over the phone”. You stated those as facts but completely made up those things.

 

Feel free to prove me wrong.


""The feds called the manufacturer of his Liberty Gun Safe and got the passcode..."

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/gun-safe-company-backlash-providing-fbi-code-customers-safe

 

Thanks for the link.
The reference to the FBI “calling” Liberty is from two commentators who seem to have got their information from the accused. Biased and at best third-hand knowledge. Unreliable.

Liberty’s own statement makes it clear that they knew the warrant was for the safe of the accused:

“Liberty Safe admitted in a statement Tuesday that it gave the FBI the access code to the safe of an individual for whom the FBI had a warrant to search their property after receiving the agency's request on Aug. 30.”

No suggestion the FBI lied to Liberty. You completely fabricated that.

 

Or fax or email or about 100 other ways lol

 

And with the backlash they’re getting, I’m sure they’d say so if they were lied to!

 

Exactly.

 

It appears that there was no court order directing liberty safe to do this.

 

Do you believe in cooperating with them when they violate people's rights?

 

Then they’d have cut it open. They did him a favor.

 

Obviously not, but they had a warrant.

 

A limiting one, and now the the legal experts are scurrying behind 'probable cause'(as they usually do when they take in excess.). Here's the issue though(one I'd love to argue in court). Probable Cause does NOT equal taking property or access to areas without some knowledge. You have to have a probability that an event or thing has occurred or is there.

In other words, some demonstrable evidence or circumstances that can lead to the conclusion that in likelihood, X is there. That's how it SHOULD be interpreted.

Instead, law enforcement has taken the rather liberal interpretation that: Well, if we think an item or person is there, then that's good enough(see: The flash bang controversies that have led to some deaths recently)

No chain of evidence, or logical leading to the probability, just basically 'well, we're here already'

And while this power creep has existed pre 1/6/2020 and pre-DT, it's very abundantly clear that the public demonstrations, such as forcibly arresting the elderly have the power of intimidation, not law enforcement behind them.

As such, I personally rank the Biden government much lower than the DT government on the issue of civil rights.

 

so these safe do not allow the user to change the pass code?

 

It makes you wonder whether that search warrant was really justified.

So if anyone commits any crime, that should automatically justify law enforcement to search all that person's belongings, all their property, and open up safes?
Shouldn't something desperate like that only be for the most serious crimes, like suspected murder?

What about if the law enforcement has to break open the safe? Are they liable to pay for that, or is it just too bad because they had a general search warrant?

Maybe the company only handed over the code so the law enforcement wouldn't have to break open the safe (causing a lot of unnecessary trouble and expense and destroying the man's property).

Is the judge who signed off on that search warrant going to suffer any repercussions?

 

So you believe law enforcement can always be trusted?

Because it seems like that was not the case here. That warrant to search should have never been granted.

 

You guys are priceless.
Let us remember just 8 years ago when republicans pretended that they were all for law enforcement, and anyone who wasn't with them was against them. FBI vs Apple. FBI DEMANDS that Apple help them decrypt the phone of the San Bernardino shooter. Not just provide the code (they don't have it) but design the software to decrypt it. Apple refuses.

"Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump called for a boycott of Apple products until the tech giant cooperates with the FBI’s demand to help unlock the iPhone of one of the San Bernardino shooters.
“What I think you ought to do is boycott Apple until such time as they give that security number,” Trump said at a town hall event in South Carolina. “How do you like that? I just thought of that!” ALL Republican candidates, as far as I can tell, voiced the same sentiment.

You guys crack me up!

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...e Donald Trump,of the San Bernardino shooters.

 

Have you seen what evidence they had to get the warrant?