Guns in Idaho: Common misconceptions

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  1. Lesh

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    They use the M-4 for the most part because of it's adaptability, mounting system, and ability to fire full auto. The firepower of the M-4 is almost identical other than the ability for full auto
     
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    But you said "It is a military weapon...designed to be that". I know of no major military which uses semi-automatic rifles. Why not just go ahead and use the AR-15.
     
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    Much more powerful 22 round than the 22LR. True, but much less powerful than a hunting rifle round.
     
  4. Hoosier8

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    Actually the assault rifle does have a definition and the M16 qualifies as one. The first assault rifle was designed by the Germans.

    It is the political definition of 'assault weapon' that is the one that does not exist anymore since the Assault Weapon Ban expired. Assault Rifle is often misused to refer to standard rifles with scary bits on them like the shoulder thing that goes up.

     
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    BTW, the lowly 22 has killed more people than any AR-15 ever has.
     
  6. Right is the way

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    More powerful that a 22long yes but that is a rim fire. When comparing it to center fire rounds it is quite small and more reasonably priced round compared to other rounds.
     
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    Not selective fire, so no it is not. And it only uses an 8 round clip. I have one and love shooting it. I messed up at one gun show and did not snatch up an m1 made my international harvester matching serial number. You would love shooting it. I do however like my National Match M1A a little bit better.
     
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    Just make it so that no one can own or use any firearm that can shoot more then 6 shots without reloading. Debates about guns are silly. The issue is their capacity to kill quickly and indiscriminately in a very short period of time. Get them off the streets or force all owners to register, get safety lessons, buy insurance policies on them and be responsible for that gun until it legally changes hands.
     
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    The M14 is very difficult to fire full auto.
     
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    What's the difference between an "assault rifle" and a "regular rifle".
     
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    Technically, all guns are machines.

    machine:
    an apparatus using or applying mechanical power and having several parts, each with a definite function and together performing a particular task.
     
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    It is still a military man killer
     
  13. Lesh

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    AN assault rifle has a lower power cartridge. Meant for more rapid fire than a full power military rifle...also lighter and generally shorter
     
  14. Hoosier8

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    Nope, no military uses the civilian rifle.
     
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    And the AR-15 isn't an assault rifle, it is just a rifle.
     
  16. US Conservative

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    Like this?
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    How about this?
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    So like a Ruger 10/22.

    I'd also like to point out that an M4 fires the same round, and has more rapid fire than an AR15.

    So, by your definition, an AR15 is not an assault rifle.
     
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    Great minds....
     
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    An assault weapon is a made up term. It evokes fear in people which is it's intended purpose. If a vehicle was used, as they are in the mid-east as a container for bombs, does it magically become an "assault vehicle" or did the planes used in the 911 attacks all of a sudden become "assault planes"?
    "assault" and "tactical" two words that bug me.
    Guns are guns, the "assault" comes when they are used for the purpose of killing humans as are feet, fists, and knives.
    Ad from 1963.
    Photo Miss America 1962 shooting a AR15.
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    FYI
    DOJ, Second Amendment Foundation Reach Settlement In Defense Distributed Lawsuit

    Jul 10, 2018
    Snip,
    "Significantly, the government expressly acknowledges that non-automatic firearms up to .50-caliber – including modern semi-auto sporting rifles such as the popular AR-15 and similar firearms – are not inherently military."

    “Not only is this a First Amendment victory for free speech, it also is a devastating blow to the gun prohibition lobby,” noted SAF founder and Executive Vice President Alan M. Gottlieb. “For years, anti-gunners have contended that modern semi-automatic sport-utility rifles are so-called ‘weapons of war,’ and with this settlement, the government has acknowledged they are nothing of the sort.

    http://joshblackman.com/blog/2018/0...ch-settlement-in-defense-distributed-lawsuit/
     
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    I found a weapon of massive assault.

    Small caliber round, high rate of fire, short....very light....

    Behold....the Cricket *shiver*

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    Single shot bolt action madness.

    It will actually reach into a box of .22, and load itself if you aren't careful.
     
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    Obviously you know a bit about firearms. You may also know that by laws of physics, every force creates an equal and opposite force- meaning that the power a gun sends down-range is equal to the recoil force on to the shooter. The nature of the force on the shooter is distributed instead of condensed into the size of the bullet- if not, firing the gun would be somewhat like shooting yourself.

    The real reason for low recoil in the AR is low bullet weight and thesmaller powder charge that requires to reach velocity. The M-! was gas operated and had a recoil spring too- but would bruise your shoulder quite quickly if you were not wearing heavy clothing. You can build a heavy caliber rifle on the AR platform, and sure enough- it will kick like a mule. I have a .308 AR-10, the slightly longer version of the platformThe inertia of the gun weight also absorbs part of the recoil, thus the heavier the weapon, the lighter the kick- but always relating to the caliber and load. My .50 BMG weighs in at 34 lbs and has a big muzzle break, but still pushes you back pretty hard- typically slides you about 6" or so.

    Of course, the military has never purchased AR-15's. In fact, there are far more AR-15's than M-16s built. The AR does not meet military specifications, which defines it from the military versions built on like platforms. Functional difference. By the way, the difference between a military bayonet and a sturdy kitchen knife are also about the same. London, long touted for low firearms, is actually dealing with a huge increase in murders- by knife. It's a quieter weapon, and equally effective in the hands of a skilled person. The thugs are finding it safer to kill without making so much noise.

    IF we were going to have a legitimate and honest discussion on murders- we would look realistically at all weapons, and far more importantly at the common denominators- and that is, always, regardless of the weapon involved- a person bent upon killing another person. That is the TRUE weapon- it is what makes the decision, carries the motivation, and does the act. Remove that common denominator from the millions of normal people in society and you have- no murders at all.

    Of course, we can't seem to bring ourselves to address that, and instead choose to blame inanimate objects which are incapable of any malice at all.
    It would seem we should be smarter than that, but apparently we have a lot of mental evolution left to do.
     
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    I think that is the majority opinion in the US. That and a simple background check.

    It has been a long time since I entered a shooting tournament, but it seems to me that typically there were 5 shots per round, and I always did quite well with a single shot bolt action rifle. And any hunter that needs more than 6 shots to bring down a deer or elk, shouldn't be out there with a gun in their hands.
     
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    The M-4 also has a barrel length of 14.5" which also makes it a regulated item.
     

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