Have Democrats abandoned the 'my body, my choice' argument?

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  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trump made the surrender deal with the Taliban
     
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    That doesn't mean there aren't any.
     
  3. Ritter

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    Hearts, fingers snd toes are not the essentials that grant a human his rights. Cattle have beating hearts and even plastic dolls have fingers and toes. So, I really do not umderstand what it is that you are trying to say here.

    Fetuses cannot make choices.

    Consensual sex is a choice.
     
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  4. yabberefugee

    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So I do understand what you are trying to say.... Human beings that have no cognizance are no better than cattle or plastic dolls. Why don't you start with the nursing homes or Hospice?I think it is clear, human life only has value if it suits your needs. I am familiar with calloused hearts.

    Again, my response above is appropriate.

    You also said "Consensual sex is a choice". So is gambling. When you lose you pay the debt. Consensual sex comes with responsibility. You just like to "buck" that responsibility. Are you a deadbeat dad Like my ex son in law?
     
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    yabberefugee Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It was only a withdrawel deal and you know that. We weren't trying to take over the country. The only surrender was Biden's withdrawal where he did actually surrender billions of $$ in equipment. He also surrendered 100's of Americans along with Afghan's that supported us . FreshAir you need to refreshen your talking points! You cannot prove Trump would have done any of that! Besides, Marxist Joe is your President now!
     
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    Nursing homes and hospices are habitated by actual, born human beings with volitional consciousness.


    And aborting an unwanted fetus is very responsible. Why are you against people enjoying sex? And what is wrong with gambling?

    No.
     
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    Yes, and women take the responsibility whether it's gestating or getting an abortion....it isn't your responsibility so why would you care???
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    He is obviously talking about a different type of responsibility.
    Making the right choice, rather than just simply making a choice.

    Well, I can turn that question around and ask why YOU care.

    As long as it only happens to someone else, why should anyone care?
    (being sarcastic)
     
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    And WHO TF is HE to determine what is right for another person?

    He doesn't have that right..


    I do NOT care what choice the woman makes.


    I CARE about the ISSUE because I do NOT want to see rights destroyed like Anti-Choicers do.


    Why would that statement be sarcastic??

    I don't care if a woman has an abortion or not ...it does NOT AFFECT ME...
     
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    You read it wrong. The homeowner mother to kill her tenant, the child.
     
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    So I suppose you are a promoter of responsibility and want all unwanted human beings terminated. You are making stuff up by implying I am against gambling and that I dont' want people enjoying sex. All I have stated is that with both comes responsibility. Like my Dad always said "If you want to dance, you have to pay the fiddler". I think you would just blow the "fiddlers" brains out so you don't have to pay him!
     
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    If God was serious about every fertilized egg being "precious" he would make every uterus perfect. They are not. Every woman is
    different and every pregnancy is different. Anti-choice people think they can force every woman into a little box equaling
    a child incubator - a machine - with no fears or anxiety or medical issues. That's the real world. It's imperfect. It's messy. And it's part of being human.
     
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  13. kazenatsu

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    90% of women getting abortions fit into that same box.

    Yes, sometimes it can be very complicated. Usually it's not.

    The argument seems to be all women should get a free pass because there's a small percentage of women who may have special needs, and we shouldn't do anything that might inconvenience them or risk that small subset from being able to make the most optimal decision.
     
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    They're demonstrating that they're not actually pro body autonomy, only pro abortion. Body autonomy was a useful excuse ...until now when it conflicts with their agenda of social conformity via authoritative coersion. Whatever their reason for supporting abortion is, its clearly no longer to protect body autonomy, and questionable whether it ever was.
     
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    Yuppers! If your tenant is causing you harm you may 'evict " them....
     
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    Preferably.

    No, I am a huge fan of paying for what I want.
     
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    Although evictionism (the idea that post-viable fetuses may be removed from the womb, but not legally killed) is not a completely indefensible position, I maintain that rights should be reserved for those who have been born because the process of becoming rational and gaing the characteristics necessary and possible only begins after birth. Furthermore, the woman has a sovereign right over her own body as it relates to her health and as long as she is pregnant, the fetus remains physically attached to her body and poses a real risk to her health.
     
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    When you evict a tenant, they walk away alive. When you evict a fetus, they walk away dead. You don't see the difference?
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    Yuppers! If your tenant is causing you harm you may 'evict " them....


    You should try actually READING the posts you quote before you reply....if a TENANT IS CAUSING YOU HARM YOU MAY EVICT THEM AS IN KILL THEM...
     
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    Trump surrendered 5000 Taliban fighters from prison... Biden surrendered a few weapons left at the airport

    I think your talking about all the weapons Bush, Obama and Trump gave to the Afghanistan Government over the last 20 years

    when we give something to someone else.... it's no longer ours, you know that, right?
     
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    Let's try to stay on topic please.
     
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    No. They don't. EVERY woman is different. EVERY pregnancy is different. End of story.
     
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    you mean 90% in the USA are Christians? that the box they all check?
     
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    Hilarious

    Are you admitting that abortion is about sustaining a certain kind of lifestyle?

    No, that was not what I was saying
     
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    I claimed that 90% of these women have a very similar story.

    They are aborting simply because they did not wish to have a baby.
     
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