He Who Claims "God", Has A Moral Obligation To Produce Evidence.

Yep, and do you think this is a "bad" thing?

Well, now, what do you mean? I'm not sure that is an assumption of science, it's basically an assumption of every world view besides solipsism.

I have, you're the one that constantly brings this subject up. So, it seems that you need to "deal with it" more than anybody else.

 

The evidence that god exists is right under your nose, or behind your eyes. LOL.

For the only evidence man will ever have is the fact of consciousness. Consciousness is God, and each human being, every life form, has a fragment of that ONE consciousness that is received, as a tv set receives its signal, by the brain.

Not the ego consciousness, but the consciousness that is present when the thinking process is quiet. So, the self image, the ego is not god, but the consciousness that it manifests from, IS.

 

That is the result of millions of years of Evolution until Homo Sapiens became the most advanced and intelligent species able to reflect on the universe and philosophy using our intellect and wired to form communities as social animals its no proof of a deity or deities. Its purely the advancement of a scientific theory well demonstrated to a natural conclusion and nature could have did this with another species. We just so far beat the odds.

 

Good, bad, indifferent are all irrelevant terms in view of your question... they are all ambiguous, whimsical, and capricious. Subjective opinions.

Solipsism is also ambiguous as it is related to the opinion that one can hold regarding his or her self. It means that scientists cannot show proof of any thing called 'objective reality'.

I am dealing with it. I am presenting this information to all the readers so that they too will become aware of the fact that scientists use, as a tool, an assumption which has never been proven to be true, much in the same manner as Theists use an assumption (the existence of God) as a tool to promote their religious views. IMHO, you are making a grand attempt at promoting science as a religion.

 

I think it is the result of the material universe manifesting from Consciousness. Evolution is the manner in which it eventually manifested in man. So that Consciousness is what man has called god, or gods. They named it, created an image of it, and then the killing began.

I think we see a micro image of the macro when the conscious observer has a relationship with what it is observing, with the observer effect in QM.

 

I see. So those who don't believe in 99% of the deities who have been worshiped in mankind's history have a moral obligation to disprove each of those deities?

 

If there is no objective reality, then it cannot be said that anything (including a deity) "exists" beyond the subjective interpretation of the individual.
And here I thought you were a theist...

 

A deity in the objective material world? How novel... where did you come across that idea? Remember.. deities are said to be spiritual entities ... not part of the physical world. Of course God exists in and through the subjective consciousness of man. Even in your subjective consciousness, otherwise you would not be able to formulate any communication regarding that deity or god or God. And here I thought you were a non-theist.

 

Oh, I thought you were a Christian... I guess not.

I can imagine a dragon named George who is best friends with a unicorn-riding mermaid, that doesn't mean those things have any bearing on reality.

 

Guessing is all you have been doing on this date on this forum thread. Your imagination is as full of levity as is your supposed more serious writing.

 

ad hominem fallacy.

 

Not hardly.

"Oh, I thought you were a Christian... I guess not. "

That is an admission of guessing.

 

I notice you left out the whole last half of your post (that ad hominem fallacy I referred to)...
Looks like some more intellectual dishonesty.
At least you're consistent.

 

Seems you might be delusional because I used the quote function and it properly quoted the entirety of your former post. So try again.

 

Only silly atheists think God must be found under the microscope in order to believe in Him.

 

Such a microscope is the blinders that they wear that distorts truth.

 

Who said anything about a microscope?

 

Goomba said something about a microscope.. Expressing an opinion is absolutely OK on this forum and does not require justification.

 

It's a metaphor....

 

So, you think it's silly that atheists require evidence, tangible evidence, for their beliefs?

 

So, you think it's not silly that atheists require evidence, tangible evidence, for their beliefs? What beliefs do atheists hold as an instrument that justifies those beliefs?

 

Uniformitarianism. Which might start out as an assumption, but pretty quickly proves itself as practically useful. Hence the millions of scientific discoveries which have been made and better your life.

 

Mostly when it comes to God.

 

As a Taoist and spiritual person, I still like the demand for proof of any supposed God, with one caveat:

If you posit a God who requires people to behave differently from what we as thoughtful humans can come up with on our own, through reason, as the best ethical way to live (which I think would best be reflected by secular humanism) then you have a moral obligation to have proof. Because you are basically asking people to behave contrary to our own inner conscience and wisdom and intelligence would dictate.

Since some spiritual beliefs do not try to shove some counterintuitive divine set of rules down our throat, I see no moral imperative for proof from those.

It's like we're all on a giant bus driving along. If you are going to step up and say "I know we shoul turn left at the next fork in the road" you need to have a reason grounded in evidence. Dogmatic religions try to sit in the proverbial driver's seat of humanity with no reason or evidence except pure hearsay from folks long dead. That's insane and immoral IMO.

Ken

 

And even then, all the faith in the world proves nothing one way or another. The goddists will tell you, however, that god exists as a result of their faith. Believe and it will be.