Here is a question for the left wing college elite

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  1. upside222

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    Really? *I* have read no Marx?

    Marxism actually has three forms of government, each easing the progression to the next.
    1. Fascism - government control of capital and business
    2. Socialism - government *ownership* of capital and business
    3. Communism - collective ownership of capital and business

    Marx wrote about there being all kinds of government under communism. Local government would consist of locally elected officials who would plan and manage local collectives. Representatives from these elected officials would meet to establish regional plans for production.

    If governments cannot resort to force to collect taxes then how do they collect them? How do you think the IRS puts tax cheats in jail? By asking them nicely if they would please show up at prison and live in a cell?

    *YOU* seem to be the one that doesn't know much about Marxism.
     
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    NK's September, 2016 nuke test was estimated at between 10 and 30 kilotons.

    You keep talking about a blast that is outside the atmosphere. But an EMP blast doesn't have to be outside the atmosphere. A blast just a few miles up over Houston would take out most of the oil production in the US. A blast just a few miles up over NYC would create havoc all over the east coast. One over LA would be the same. Or Chicago.

    What retaliation against NK would be effective? What targets would we hit that would have any effect on the NK government? They don't care if people die, that's just fewer mouths to feed!
     
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    North Korea can barely reach Hawaii, why should I consider any scenario of them nuking Houston or Chicago realistic?

    Are you seriously going to say the North Korean government would be unaffected by US nuclear retaliation against the NorK capital and military bases?
     
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    More regurgitated extremist alt right pablum!
     
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    Well, someone DID at one time.....:)..why not now?
     
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    And you think this was done by one man using critical thinking skills? As opposed to trial and error?
     
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    :roflol:

    Evidence of a lack of critical thinking skills!
     
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    Again, willful ignorance is not a survival technique. Ask those starving to death in Venezuela - just the newest example of the failure that is Marxism!
     
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    Here on earth these are the FACTS!

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    Feel free to provide the "alt facts" from your planet if they differ from earth's.
     
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    Oh, I see. If it doesn't affect me today then why worry about tomorrow? The words of the Grasshopper to the Ants!

    NK would not be impacted in any way by our nuclear retaliation. If they strike first then most of the government will *NOT* be in the capital, only innocent civilians will remain. Their military forces will also be dispersed just because of anticipated retaliation.

    Will the NK government be unaffected if we dump several nukes on them? Yes, they will be affected. They will be able to go to the UN and show how we killed so many civilians in retaliation for them not directly killing anyone, if US citizens die then that is the fault of the ineffective US government! We will just raise their victimhood status to the rest of the world.
     
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    It seems as if your electrical knowledge is about as delusional as your political knowledge. Listen to a lot of conspiracy theory radio? Are space aliens going to come and get us?

    Want to know where the safest place to be in case of a nuclear explosion as well as any large electromagnetic pulse? It is inside of an automobile.

    Say if one is inside a metal shell and it is hit by a massive electromagnetic pulse. It will cause a charge to develop on the surface but will never penetrate into the interior. Any electronics inside such a shell would not be effected. Also the size of an explosion would play no part on the intensity of of a pulse. You see electromagnetic energy comes in little tiny chunks. Increasing the blast would, at most, increase the numbers of little chunks, not their intensity. And thirdly an atomic bomb explosion is not going to generate enough electromagnetic radiation to do much of anything outside its immediate vicinity. Also you might like to know that automobile windows block all manner of radiation. It is why you can't get a tan sitting in your car with the windows rolled up.


    I guess this falls outside of your delusion, so let me guess, this is a blue herring. Or is it a green one?
     
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    He got the job done :)
     
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    You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. The housing bubble does not take place without market corruption and demand skew created by CRAs/Freddie/Fannie. What the hell do you think HAPPENS when you suddenly swamp the market with millions of buyers which weren't eligible for mortgages before?

    I'll answer, because you obviously have no idea: the price of housing explodes.
     
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    From hudson.org:
    gdp_growth.jpg

    Bush not only averaged 2%, he had two years over 3%. Bush actually *increased* the labor force participation rate while driving unemployment down to 4.3%. Something Clinton couldn't do even with the dot.com bubble. Something Obama could only dream about.

    Reagan not only averaged higher GDP growth than Carter, Reagan brought interest rates down from 12% to 6% and inflation down from 18% to a far more reasonable 3%.

    Johnson, btw, enjoyed the economic growth engendered by John Kennedy's capital gains tax cuts.
     
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    What??? No internet??? OMG that would be so terrible for so many people!! They'd actually have to do math using their brains or go to the bank for all monetary transactions. No more gaming! They'd have to watch TV on old tube black and white TV's and tube radios as well. I think the stress would be too much for many people.


    No more car travel? Better throw a saddle on my horse! Unless I borrow my brothers 1967 pickup truck which would not be affected by the EMP; any cars made before 1976 would be unaffected by the EMP since there are no printed circuits in them. The gas needed to operate the vehicles wouldn't be much of an issue since the fuel can be pumped manually into those who have pre-76 cars.

    So I guess under your scenario it's back to the stone age eh? I'll have to disagree with you on most of what you said in your post. Unless your Carnac The Magnificant and know something I don't, While the market will be changed short term, it'll still be here in some form. The rich boys aren't going to sit home and drink cocktails and golf all day, they'll figure out something to keep the "market" going.
     
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    But not with critical thinking skills, with repetitive experimentation.
     
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    Can you PROVE it didn't take "critical thinking skills".? .......No, I didn't think so.

    I think it did since he had to think of what was needed and the best way to obtain it.

    Maybe your total lack of knowledge about what it takes to trim and shoe a horse correctly is hindering you.
     
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    For a guy that pretends to be an intellectual, you seem to be overly willingly to mindlessly accept whatever your puppet masters desire you to accept.

    Of course you are going to blame it on poor minorities. Otherwise you'll have to come face to face with the hard cold fact that Republican economic ideology is detrimental to everyone except the very wealthy.
     
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    He provides you a substantive and well thought out argument, and you provide a vapid alt-leftist bumper sticker in response.
     
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    Extremist alt right assbackwards disinformation again!

    The Wall Street Casino Bosses swamped the property market with "free money" from their GOP deregulated "banks" which resulted in them pushing predatory loans on completely unqualified victims.
     
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    Wait, so now North Korea is going to disperse its entire civilian leadership and military and launch a surprise EMP attack and we somehow don't notice any of that?

    Again, stop making up bullshit Hollywood scenarios.
     
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    The Hudson Institute has a severe right wing bias!
     
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    It takes critical thinking skills to be able to differentiate genuine well thought out arguments from extremist alt right disinformation pablum.
     
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    1. I have a BS in Electrical Engineering.
    2. A Faraday Shield with penetrating conductors has to be grounded to be of any use. Cars have all kinds of penetrating conductors, radio antennas, exhaust pipes, and car axles are examples. It's hard to ground a car through four rubber tires!
    3. Many cars today do *NOT* provide the continuous metal shielding needed for a Faraday shield.
    3a.Car grills are open to an electromagnetic pulse. Wheel wells typically are fashioned of plastic or fiberglass leaving the engine well wide open to an electromagnetic pulse. Floor pans do not typically extend into the engine well, leaving the engine wide open to an electromagetic pulse.
    3b. Once the engine compartment is open to the electromagnetic pulse then all kinds of voltages can be introduced into the passenger compartment by the wires and mechanical apparatus that go through the engine firewall. Unless you have grounded the passenger compartment, it is *NOT* a useful Faraday shield against an EMP pulse.
    4. An EMP pulse is not typically dangerous to a human being unless you have a pacemaker. Hiding in a car would be rather immaterial!

    Whether an EMP blast comes in chunks or as a continuous wave is immaterial. An impinging EM wave from an EMP blast can induce a potential of 20KV or *more*. It doesn't matter if this lasts for nanoseconds or for seconds or for minutes. That is more than sufficient to puncture any semiconductor junction.

    I'm not sure what you actually know about this subject. You seem to be rather uniformed about actual reality.

    Tell me again who is delusional?
     
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    Facts don't have a bias. I see you have no refutation to offer. Why am I not surprised? You are just using the argumentative fallacy of Poisoning the Well. If you can't attack the message then attack the messenger hoping to discredit the message!
     

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