Here is my prediction for November.

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Golem, Jan 17, 2024.

  1. independentthinker

    independentthinker Well-Known Member

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    I was just pointing out that your post has zero credibility of a thoughtful and fair conclusion.
     
  2. Durandal

    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    You use such strong words. I don't see any disaster. I just see typical partisan hyperbole and bullshit, and it could be that you've allowed that to bias your own perception of things. I wouldn't even say anything Trump did was a disaster.
     
  3. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    You are not understanding the thread. The question is not why YOU wouldn't vote for him. It's what will tilt the vote for or against him. NONE of those issues will make the slightest dent either way (more likely to benefit Biden than to hurt. But only slightly IMO)

    As I said, the ONLY topic that enough Americans care about that would move them to vote for somebody other than Biden (or democrats to not show up) from now to the elections is inflation.
     
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    ButterBalls Well-Known Member

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    While other politicians are just as corrupt, just not on the hot seat..

    Folks think their winning when their loosing, while the politicians get richer and richer..

    But you're doing great right..
     
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  5. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    It's ok to start with the one who was dumb enough to get caught.

    I'm happy to see you acknowledge that Trump is corrupt. That means we agree on something...
     
  6. Josh77

    Josh77 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The policy in Ukraine is a disaster. The policy with Israel is a disaster. The way we withdrew from Afghanistan was a disaster. I don't know what other way to describe it. We could have prevented so much bloodshed, and chose not to.
     
  7. Josh77

    Josh77 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I disagree. The issues I raised are by far the most important issues in the world right now. Especially as it becomes more and more likely that we get tangled up in a long, complex war, which will probably occur before the next election.
     
  8. perotista

    perotista Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It’s across the board on all issues. Here’s RCP and their averages on the different issues.

    Overall Job performance - https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/joe-biden/approval-rating

    Economy - https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/joe-biden/economy

    Foreign Policy - https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/joe-biden/foreign-policy

    Inflation - https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/joe-biden/inflation

    Crime - https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/joe-biden/crime

    Immigration - https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/approval/joe-biden/immigration

    Direction of the Country - https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/state-of-the-union/direction-of-country

    It’s not any one issue. Inflation is the big one, but it is across the board. I think this has more to do with how people feel their worse off today than they were under Trump. Financially, rising prices, folks are feeling the pinch. It’s not only the price of a gallon of gas, it the skyrocketing price of a house, shelter, it’s seen at the grocery store and for clothes, entertainment etc. Their standard of living has dropped.

    Take a look at question 19. How much do you think Joe Biden cares about the needs and problems of people like you? Overall, 45% respond a lot or some, 53% say none at all or not much. But where Biden is in trouble today is with independents. 34% say a lot or some, 57% not much or none.

    https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport_HvTrDQB.pdf

    Then the trial heat, independents, 37% for Biden, 40% for Trump. Question 16. Biden has dropped 14 points among independents from 2020 when he won them 54-41. Republicans aren’t going to like anything Biden does nor will they approve of his actions in anything, on any issue. But independents are fair game. Is there anything Biden can do to change their perception he doesn’t care for people like them. To win back their trust and support. Honestly, I don’t think there is anything Biden can do. Independents gave Biden a 55% job approval from Jan-July 2021, but only a 37% job approval from Aug 2021 to today. If independents view of Biden’s job performance hasn’t changed in 2 ½ years, I don’t think it will over the next 10 months.

    These polls tell us what people are thinking, feeling. But they don’t tell us why. Perhaps it might be they just want a change in the leadership. Away from these old foggies like Biden, Trump, McConnell, Schumer. They want somepne new, younger, energetic leadership with fresh new ideas on how to fix this country’s problems. I don’t know, but that is my best guess. A JFK to excite them. Today, independents are taking a real good look at RFK Jr which leads among independents when his name is included 33% to 30% for Trump, 28% for Biden.
     
  9. Bullseye

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    It addresses YOUR beliefs, not gospel facts. That's point..
     
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  10. Durandal

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    How is the policy in Ukraine a disaster? My only complaint is failing to provide enough material assistance soon enough for Ukraine to wage a more successful counteroffensive, but then we are a peacetime economy that has not been focused on producing large numbers of artillery shells for a very long time since our focus has been on other types of military engagements that don't require a lot of artillery. But as things stand now, Ukraine has the opportunity to build up and go on a renewed offensive when they are better prepared, and better prepared they will be with a much more modern air force in the near future.

    How is the Israel policy a disaster? Biden didn't cause Israel to be attacked, and Israel has the support it needs to conduct its offensive against Hamas.

    Afghanistan was a problem 20 or so years in the making. The way Trump went behind the Afghan government's back to negotiate a hast withdrawal with the Taliban did not help matters. But either way, it was a "forever war" that most Americans were ready to see ended, and the way it ended was not a disaster for us. We didn't suffer very many losses in the process with withdrawing, and it was ultimately up to the Afghan people to keep their government and not allow the Taliban to take over the way they did. They made their choice and now they get to live with it.
     
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    My prediction: huge Trump victory. If Biden will get more votes, it will be clear sign that election were stolen again and this time Trump will milk his supporters out 1/2 billion dollars to fight election fraud.
     
  12. Josh77

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    The Ukraine could have been resolved diplomatically at the very beginning, sparing hundreds of thousands of lives. Instead, we gave them just enough support to keep the meat grinder going, but not enough to win. Now, aid is being cut off. The conflict will end diplomatically anyway, but with hundreds of thousands dead that did not need to lose their lives.

    In Israel, we are supporting the massacre of civilians. I’m all for Israel defending themselves, but the Israeli response has gone into genocide territory, and is quickly expanding into a much wider conflict that is going to suck us in to another forever war in the Middle East, one that could have been easily avoided. Not to mention we are one of the very few states not condemning the inhumane actions Israel is taking. Instead of showing leadership and taking the moral high ground, we cowardly appease the MIC and power mongers by allowing the brutal slaughter to continue.

    And Afghanistan was a disaster. There were much, much better ways to conduct the withdrawal. We lost control, and it was a complete embarrassment.
     
  13. Bill Carson

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    Corruption can't flourish without the disasters you speak of. Peace is unprofitable. That alone should light up the bulb in your head and make you realize just how good Trump was. Did he mean tweet you or what?

    US foreign policy, before and after Trump, my entire life, is about corruption and the various swamp rat politicians getting rich via the MIC pipeline. Has ANYONE not figured out how politicians go to Washington DC broke yet they leave rich??? Hello Hello!
     
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  14. Durandal

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    Oh my god. No, Ukraine could not have prevented this war diplomatically. You are woefully misinformed on that point. You have to wake up and smell the damned coffee here. Putin wants Ukraine. If he can't control it the way he used to, i.e. by controlling its government covertly, then he will do what he is doing now, which is to conquer it by force. Do not fool yourself into thinking this could have been prevented diplomatically, and do not delude yourself into thinking it could be in the future without a military defeat of Russia in Ukraine. And make no mistake, it will take a defeat of Russia for there to be an end to that conflict, because the Ukrainians will not settle for being ruled by the Kremlin. The best we can do is to give them the tools they need to win, and also to marshal the support of allies in Europe and elsewhere to keep supplying Ukraine. Many countries are doing a fantastic job of stepping up, too. Germany's little Wende has been nothing short of miraculous.

    In Israel, we are applying pressure to get Israel to handle their operation more humanely, but we don't control them and could not force them to handle it another way. No US president could have made that much of a difference by this point in the conflict. Israel is its own sovereign country and its government decides these things. Blame Netanyahu, not Biden.
     
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    I'm looking forward to seeing you update this around about the second week of November
     
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    You are wrong on all counts. Russia could definitely have been handled diplomatically long ago. Disagree if you want, but all we have done is help get hundreds of thousands of young people killed on both sides.
    In Israel, there is nothing even remotely humane about the way they are prosecuting this conflict. And yes we could have ended it immediately long ago but telling them if they do not stop bombing civilians indiscriminately then they will be cut off immediately from all aid. Their bomb supply would have run out long ago. Israel is is disgraceful failure of US leadership. And we are STILL publicly supporting their slaughter while giving half ass “well we told them to be nice” comments. ****ing pathetic.
     
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    You are wrong on all counts. You are really clueless about Russian leadership and their intentions and motivations here. I'll let Dmitri Medvedev spell it out for you:

    1. The special operation will continue, its goal will remain the disarmament of Ukrainian troops and the rejection of the current Ukrainian state from the ideology of neo-Nazism.
    2. The displacement of the ruling Bandera regime is an obviously undeclared, but the most important and inevitable goal that must and will be achieved.
    3. Odessa, Dnepropetrovsk, Kharkov, Nikolaev, Kiev are Russian cities, like many other temporarily occupied ones. They are all as yet marked in yellow-blue on paper maps and on electronic tablets.

    And so - yes. “Negotiations” are, of course, possible. Russia has never rejected them, unlike the crazy Ukrainian authorities. Such “negotiations” are not limited by time. They can continue until the complete defeat and capitulation of the Bandera troops of the North Atlantic Alliance.​

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  18. Josh77

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    Much better that several hundred thousand more die, eh? Western powers could have prevented this whole thing, even as late as Biden's watch. Instead, he made it worse.
     
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    Not to voters. This thread is about what voters will do in November.
     
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    It will be when they realize billions to trillions in taxpayer dollars will be going to another horrifically expensive war, along with their sons and daughters going once again to die in the desert. As the massacre in Israel continues to spin out of control, and now the war expanding into Yemen and Pakistan, this is only going to grow, and grow rapidly. This will be the #1 issue by the time the election rolls around.
     
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    The biggest issue by far in the elections is going to be Trump. Inflation is the one that does not favor Biden. So if that's under control, only the former will remain.

    The harder people look at RFK the more they realize that he is the opposite of what his last name represents. It would not surprise me one bit if he ends up in the Republican Party. That's where his type of politicians find themselves more confortable. Trump would never have been successful if he had remained a Democrat. It will be the same situation for RFK once people take a hard look at him and see beyond his last name.
     
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    I think the fact that RFK simply is not Biden or Trump will be more than enough for voters. No one expects him to be another JFK. Just as long as he is not Biden or Trump is enough.
     
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    And, of course, you only accept gospel facts. That's why you support Trump. He's the gospel savior.
     
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    If the elections WERE stolen in 2020, why would that change in 2024? Especially given all those court decisions, Republican investigations, ... even Trump's own people denying that it was stolen. You can give up now.....The Deep State has won!

    I wouldn't even bother voting if I were you.
     
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    When a president runs for reelection it has always been a referendum on the sitting president. Yes, the democrats are in process of trying to make this upcoming election a referendum on Trump, not on Biden. It does seem to me that that is a wise approach, perhaps the only approach.


    On RFK Jr., I don’t think it’s the name that is drawing all the attention. JFK has been dead for quite a long time and the Kennedy mystic is basically gone. I think it has more to do with the total dissatisfaction of many voters, mainly independents about the upcoming choice between Trump and Biden. Most dislike both and most don’t want neither one to become the next president. The big question is what will those dissatisfied independent do? Will they finally choose one or the other when it becomes apparent that regardless of how they feel about both, not wanting neither one. Or will they stay steadfast on voting against both as at least a third are stating today or will they say to hell with it and stay home, not vote at all. Many did stay home in 2016 when they disliked both major party candidates as the 54% voter turnout showed vs. 2020 when 62% turned out to vote. The difference was independents made up only 25% of those who voted in 2016, but 29% in 2020. Time will tell.
     

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