Hitchens' Death Will be Closely Watched

I'm not feeling the Christian love again. What's up with that?

Look, I have always been more than willing to carry on a conversation in these threads. But you have to hold up your end of the bargain and try to leaven your long strings of insult and invective with one or two arguments of substance.

I'm very thick skinned and can get past the your puerile name calling. But I can't put together your arguments for you in a manner that makes them comprehensible. That is entirely your job.

 

Try walking in the Spirit of the Lord and you will feel all the Love that you will ever need.

 

Then you are idiot unable to think critically or logically.

You haven't carried on a conversation, you have repeatedly insulted me and dimissed anything I have said as delusional and unintelligible, and now, when treated with similiar 'respect' you are suddenly a victim?

Let's reverse it again crash surviver:

Of course, you have been nothing but respectful and engaged in intelligent dialoge. And the best way to move beyond a trolling is by .... trolling.

Teh topic is Hitchens, and your responses have been nothing more than fully understood, though hardly intelligent, insults and accusation.

If you do not understand this, then you are idiot. Simple logic.

 

Other than getting in one or two final licks against the negative influence of irrational belief? Almost certainly not.

I'm very interested in Gods. I find them endlessly fascinating. I simply do not believe in any of them. And when faced with death, it never crossed my mind to reconsider that position.

That would be a very neat trick. How would any individual contributor to an Internet forum be in any position whatsoever to block anything that anybody else wanted to discuss? I'm not a moderator, and I do not have magical super powers.

That seems to be your argument, and you seem to want to stick with it.

 

Well... I'm not in Sarah Palin's league. But I know when to stop wasting my time. Yes.

 

"Fervent atheist" is exactly right. It is Hitchens' fervency that betrays his uncertainty, his secret fear that God DOES exist. If he were secure in his atheism, he would not feel the need to rage so fervently against God. It'd be "Meh" and he'd die.

"Yesterday upon the stair, I met a man who wasn't there. He wasn't there again today. Oh, how I wish he'd go away!"

 

Is that what I wrote?

So, we cannot discuss Hitchens because atheists have a prevserse desire to protect the man? That makes his books and their legacy of a man facing his own mortality off limits for discussion?

Funny, your skepticism is honest and pure, the skepticism and questioning of Hitchens is .... just getting a lick in?

Who cares? Perhaps if you would care to show how this reflects on Hitchens in an honest manner, that might be relevant. Quite frankly, I find the pretense that you don't care about God in death to be dishonest. That you do not believe in him is self evident - as it is with Hitchens.

The reality is that Hitchens lived his life in abject denial of these things and it facing the end of his productive life .... the entire purpose of his having been here .... and that must trigger something in a man.

Or in your case, nothing.

By being a trolling, flambaiting prick who constantly attempts to derail topics with baseless accusations and cornball antics. That is how.

well, based on your history, I could write Hamlet, but you would present it as a comic strip. Which is about the only arguement you seem capable of addressing.

 

Who cares about your reputation? I said it was what you were doing. And you were.

A man's 'reputation' dosen't mean he is free of sin.

Got it. Its not your fault when you are a dick.

And when people say stop acting like a dick, they are sorely mistaken because, based on yoru reputation, you are never a dick.

Sound alike the circular logic used to excuse trolling.

Unless of course it is you.

So here is the deal jerk. I have had enough of you childish BS. You take any more stab at me and I will simply report you as the insulting troll that you are.

You are nothing but another standard atheist internet bully, a man who can be brave only through an internet screen and anonymity. The truth of atheism is revealed in your ass hat behavior and inability to engage constructively and constant need to knock down intelligent people to derieve self worth. Pathetic.

 

I think you are on to something there.

 

Uh.... no. That was my response to what you wrote.

Again... where is this magic person stopping you from talking about what you want to talk about?

Honest and pure licks. Yes.

And yet it is my actual experience and my current testimony. And this fact is the basis for my periodic accusations that you are being delusional. I know the truth of the matter, you do not. And yet you presume to tell me what I experienced, or project what Hitchins will experience. It is a fascinating reflection of what must drive your own belief. It can only be projection that would convince you that other people inexorably turn to God out of fear. It was reflected by you also in the thread on atheism and moral relativism. Am I to assume that you primarily believe in God because you are afraid not to?

Wake up! There are people who are not as afraid as you. And they do not even worry about being wrong, since they are not tied to an irrational and arbitrary salvation scheme that loads the deck and declares winners and losers primarily based on whether you have the luck to be born into a family that believed the right book.

Atheists do not fear being wrong not simply because we are comfortable in their beliefs... but also comfortable in the conviction that the God of Christianity and Islam is worthy of worship. And this is the only version of God that would condemn a good person for following the conscience and ability to reason and think that is, if a God exists, His greatest gift to mankind.

So no, we don't fear death because even if there is a God... it's not the one that you believe in. There are few things of which we can be more certain.

I live surrounded by Christians. Why are the ones in this forum among the most vile and despicable people I have ever had the misfortune to encounter? My best friend from my youth is today an evangelical Christian Pastor in North Dakoto... and he would be horrified at what passes for Christianity on the pages of this forum.

What... like its something he never thought of before? Most people are not born atheists. Most of us come out of ordinary religious upbringings. The abandonment of belief in an after life or heaven is not something we somehow forgot to consider, and that suddenly gets our attention just before we bite the big one. We have already considered the gaping maw of oblivion and come to terms with it. It is a fear we have put away along with our other childish things.

We are not "defending Hitchins" in this thread. He not only needs no defense, it would be absurd to hallucinate that he even is aware that Christians on some obscure web forum are already revving up to release fake stories of his deathbed conversion once he's gone.

Oh.... I assure you. A two bit badly written sonnet is far enough out of your reach. Aspiring to write Hamlet? Each time I turn around you present us with new reasons to use the word "delusional."

 

Apparently you do. Desperately.

Especially if your God is real. If He is, the everything is his fault.

 

Well of course it is all His fault. It is His fault that you are the way you are, it is His fault that I am the way that I am and it is His fault that everyone is exactly the way that they are..

Now that that is all resolved, then it subsequently resolved that because everything is Gods fault, then the atheists can no longer believe that God does not exist. If everything is Gods fault, then God had to have arranged everything that is. Love that logic of yours. Of course, IF grasshoppers carried 45's, birds wouldn't mess with them.

Let me ask you something. In the two sentences that you posted above, you used the word "if" twice with regard to the existence of God. You do realize that the word "if" paints a pretty clear picture of the fact that you are uncertain as to whether or not God exists. Don't you know whether or not God exists?

 

Get that pastor friend of yours to come on board instead of you just speculating on his existence. We would love to hear from him.

 

What did you think about while the chopper was going down?

 

Rationalization for trolling. Understood.

Are you talking about Hitchens or justifying trolling again?

#1 - I was an atheist, jerk. The fact that you have a standard propogandistic answer to something does not indicate the ability to think critically as you claim.

#2 - your personal experiences may be relevant to your position, they are, as I have repeatedly pointed out (and why) are irrelevant to Hitchens.

Are we discussing Hitchens or you? Self whoshipping atheists cannot seem to talk about anything else.

ROFL. Your bafoonry and assumption based derision is noted and wrong. I was born into atheist family. And unlike you, I challenge myself rather than just others, and can explain my position rather than how everyone BUT me is screwed up.

Self whorshipping atheist trolls at their finest - let me tell you about your entire life and about how weak you Army Rangers are! What an idiot.

If you are so comfortable in your beliefs than why do you and other atheists need to walk around taking strawmen positions of other peoples faith? Why do you need to put others down to derive self worth? Psychologists do not find that behavior to be something that indicates comfort in ones beliefs.

And atheists can now read minds to boot! ROFL.

You are an ass. You think you are demonstrating anything other than being a derisive, insensitive prick? What do you know about my faith? My position? Anything about me? You don;t - but you feel it necessary to tell me what I think, why it is wrong, and and even if I am right, I will be wrong.

You can challenge EVERYTHING but yourself and have become a slave to the lies you spread about others.

Yes, yes, we are the slave holders driving trans alantic slave ships because we tell you stop being mean, malicious, pricks. Clearly we are despicable people.

I mean running around maliciously attacking people is the highlight of atheist morality, and like any bully, when someone stands up to you, you are instantly a supervictim of other people's lack of standards.

Grow up child.

And some people will rationalize everything. Thanks for teh diatribe that does nothing but once again insult people.

Nope, you are just attacking strawman positions of others people's faith in an insulyting trollish diatribe that is nothing more tha **** and bull, and a condescending lecture on the self whorship that is modern atheism and its hear only thy self mentality.

Yep, because the only thing that is capable of intelligence in the world of atheism is ... you.

Get over yourself narcissus.

 

I am not sure what exactly you mean here, but on the assumption that it Hitchens you are talking about, what he did or did not do is not the real subject of the thread but rather the question of whether he will or will not repent and turn to God for forgiveness. That it is the right thing to pray for his soul, whether he doe or does not, there is no question. Christ came into this world not for the righteous but for the sinners.

Indeed, but then again, stating the truth is not an attack.

Well, we certainly saw what you are capable of doing.

 

Then read. My position has been stated.

Your accusation have been addressed and they are clearly baseless. You insisit on thinking you are my judge and jury and that you have a right to continue you childish antics.

Let me assure you that you are nothing more than a bully.

Do you really think you are the first atheists to scream victim? It has become so common that we call the lot of you super victims.

Stick to the arguement, and report me IF you think there is merit. But there isn't, there is just the hurt feelings of having someone stand up to you.

Read what I said about Hicthens are respond, but do not expect respect when you dish our blith and proveably false accusations.

 

Neutral, here is the first post in this thread that you cite:
http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/is_god_real.html

This link goes to a page which contains the essay Is God Real? Does Science Answer "Is There a God?" by Rich Deem. No where in your post do you indicate that the only part of the essay that it is relevant is the part of the essay relating to cosmology. You cite this essay as proof of god without any explanation of how any part of this essay actually constitutes evidence that supports your position.

 

Maybe I missed it but I did not see the post where you addressed any of the cosmological evidence cited in that essay. The only argument you have made is that the webpage you linked is proof of god. The conclusion of the essay is as follows:

No, God has not left His name etched onto the surface of planets. However, there is abundant evidence that the universe was designed by super intelligent Agent, who purposed that the universe should exist and be capable of supporting advanced life. The design of the universe is just one line of evidence that tells us that God is real and created the universe. The design of the earth and solar system is also quite impressive. Likewise, chemistry and physics preclude the possibility that life evolved on earth. In addition, human beings are remarkably different from every other animal on earth, suggesting a departure from naturalistic processes.

The conclusion explicitly states that physical sciences preclude the possibility that life evolved on earth. Abiogenesis is not a part of the theory of evolution. I did not address the pages linked in that conclusion because when I addressed other pages linked from that page you chastised me for not addressing the specific page that you cited. You also impinged my faith. You seem much more interested in attacking atheists and insulting member of this forum instead of engaging in honest discussions. If you actually want to have an honest discussion about the evidence for god contained in the link you provided perhaps you could explain the why you think there is cosmological evidence for god.

 

Hi there, Speaking of death prediction, I find it really odd that one of the on-line death prediction services showed me the same death date that I was foretold in my dream about a year ago. http://yourdeathdate.info/1/index.html - I can’t explain this coincidence in any other way except that there must be some kind of magic involved here

 

For starters... as someone who understands that there is no such thing as "proof" for anything, uncertainty is no vice. It is the explicit and proper context for any genuine search for truth. Because any search for truth that begins from dogmatic certainty is already doomed.

But that's still not what is going on here, and you probably know it.

The use of the word "if" is to offer an arguendo concession to one or more of your opponents premises, and then use that to draw a further conclusion. It is a rhetorical tool, nothing more.

 

My children.

How best to brace for impact.

Whether my will was in order.

How funny it was to see how differently the two field grade officers on the chopper were behaving.

Whether or not we could manage to miss those trees.

"What a time to be without a parachute."

"D@mn, only about 15 minutes out of Fort Bragg. Almost made it."

Stuff like that.

I can honestly tell you that God never once crossed my mind, nor did I experience any urge to pray.

 

I stopped counting at 25 insults. And among them, not a single substantive comment to be found.

 

I will concede that the use of the word "if" is a 'rhetorical tool'. At the same time, because of the various definitions of the term "truth" , it can also be said that without specific mention of an intended definition of the word 'truth', that word can be used as a rhetorical tool. Because this segment of the forum is devoted (supposedly) to the matters of Religion, it would be out of place to assume that when speaking of 'truth' that 'truth' would mean anything more than what is taught in scripture about what 'truth' is. To assume a meaning for the word 'truth' outside the framework of Religion, would be taking the word out of context with relation to the intended section of the PF where these conversations are taking place. In view of the above, I would now ask you, what is your intended meaning of the word 'truth'? Are you going to acknowledge the contextual meaning of the word 'truth' or are you going to attempt to offer some secularized definition that does not necessarily remain in context to either the section of this forum or the Bible?

Uncertainty is a vice, when it comes to either acknowledging or denying the existence of God. Riding the fence or as the Bible refers to it as "being lukewarm" is not something that God favors. There is no middle ground of "if". Either you KNOW the 'truth' or you don't. Any ambiguity found in that search for the 'truth' is merely a matter of attempting to find meaning for 'truth' outside of the context of the Bible (or other religious documents), with regard to discussions on this forum in this Religion section.

 

The magic of Numerology.