Hitler's hatred of the Jews (part 2)

Again: Lipstadt won. Irving lost.

The holocaust is well documented history.
Of course, you are free to reject the extensive historical record in favor of your personal opinion.
Thoughts are free.

inconvenienthistory.com vs the massive historical record that has accumulated over more than 7 decades?
No contest.

 

I appreciate your responding but I was hoping for a more substantive rebuttal than the frequently cited "mountains of documents", "sea of evidence" and "massive historical record".

I agree that not only that there is plenty of documentation of the era much of which has been repressed, altered, mistranslated as is the apparent right of the victors who write the history.

Re:

The fact that there was absolutely no mention of a genocidal German agenda, homicidal gas chambers or similar fictions mentioned in any German radio transmission(1) is part of that same massive historical record that is repressed in the 16 (+ , -) "democracies" that lock you up for open debate and honest examination of the fragile Holocaust narrative.

Anything that that exposes the fraudulence of the standard Holocaust narrative is burned or buried.

For example, immediately after the war, the Soviet NKVD ordered a group of German POWs in Sachsenhausen
build a homicidal gas chamber. The Germans managed to throw something together and the Soviets invited journalists, politicians etc to see an authentic German homicidal gas chamber.
The hoax failed when the visitors noticed the new construction.

One of the POWs wrote book about the experience but the book was banned and the author threatened with prison because "certain groups" (2) complained to the authorities.

My point is that because the influential and wealthy Holocaust Industry felt that it jeopardized the homicidal gas chamber myth, the "massive historical record" is not always right under your nose.

Thanks,


(1). “THE HOLOCAUST NARRATIVE”
https://archive.org/stream/BreakingTheSpell_48/BreakingTheSpell-Kollerstrom_djvu.txt

EXCERPT “In 1941, British Intelligence analysts cracked the German “Enigma” code. This undermined the German war effort—but also threw new light on day-by-day events in the Nazi concentration camp system. Between January 1942 and January 1943, encrypted radio communications between those camps and the Berlin headquarters were intercepted and decrypted.

Oddly enough, historians have largely ignored the information furnished in these intercepts relating to “arrivals,” “departures,” recorded deaths and other events at these camps.The only reasonable explanation is that the intercepted data contra-dicts, even refutes, the orthodox “Holocaust” narrative.

The information does not expose a program of mass murder and racial genocide. Quite the opposite: it reveals that the Germans were determined, desperate even, to reduce the death rate in their work camps, which was caused by catastrophic typhus epidemics.”CONTINUED


(2). "NKVD Forced German POWs to Build Fake Gas Chambers AFTER the War !"
https://vk.com/@-181845420-nkvd-forced-german-pows-to-build-fake-gas-chambers-after-the

EXCERPT "As a young officer, Gerhart Schirmer was captured in 1945 by the Russians and held in Sachsenhausen which the Russians continued to use as a prison. Although the War and Nazism were over, Schirmer and a few fellow-prisoners were forced to construct a gas chamber and execution room, to show the world what the Nazis had done. He described his experiences in a booklet entitled 'Sachsenhausen - Workuta, Zehn Jahre in den Fängen der Sowjets' (Grabert Verlag, Tübingen, 1992).

When 'certain groups' drew the attention of the authorities to the booklet's contents, it was seized and banned in Germany. This is described by Schirmer below (my translation). I understand Schirmer was given the choice of a fine or prison and he chose the fine because, being over ninety, he did not relish spending his last few years behind bars, especially as he had already spent eleven years of his life in prison." CONTINUED

 

Here are some links I've posted about that.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...olocaust-denial.609023/page-2#post-1074246636

The post above that has some related info (post #43). Tell us what you think.

I watched this video.

My courtroom battle with a Holocaust denier | Dr. Deborah E. Lipstadt | TEDxSkoll


She didn't mention, much less address, any of the hard evidence against her case*. Maybe she hasn't even seen it. If there were no censorship and the public were to see both sides of the debate, I think most Americans would agree that there were no gassings.


*
http://politicalforum.com/index.php...locaust-denial.609023/page-35#post-1074276788

 

Again, I'm only addressing one thing at a time. According to your links, do you know when this "war" was declared?

 

According to this article it was in 1933.


The Jewish Declaration of War
on Nazi Germany

The Economic Boycott of 1933
https://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/jdecwar.html
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Sounds like they were protesting against Hitler . . . who was already openly anti-Semitic and the Nazi party . . . who was also openly anti-Semitic. They were reacting to the rising anti-Semitism. Why isn't okay for Jews to boycott people who plan on stripping citizenship from Jews? Makes sense to me.

 

It sounds like you haven't read the article.
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To this day, it is generally (although incorrectly) believed that when Adolf Hitler was appointed German chancellor in January of 1933, the German government began policies to suppress the Jews of Germany, including rounding up of Jews and putting them in concentration camps and launching campaigns of terror and violence against the domestic Jewish population.

While there were sporadic eruptions of violence against Jews in Germany after Hitler came to power, this was not officially sanctioned or encouraged. And the truth is that anti-Jewish sentiments in Germany (or elsewhere in Europe) were actually nothing new. As all Jewish historians attest with much fervor, anti-Semitic uprisings of various degrees had been ever-present in European history.

In any case, in early 1933, Hitler was not the undisputed leader of Germany, nor did he have full command of the armed forces. Hitler was a major figure in a coalition government, but he was far from being the government himself. That was the result of a process of consolidation which evolved later.
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Read this one too.

How Hitler Defied the Bankers
https://nationalvanguard.org/2015/08/how-hitler-defied-the-bankers/
(excerpt)
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Nothing like this had ever happened before — the total destruction of the national currency, plus the wiping out of people’s savings and businesses. On top of this came a global depression. Germany had no choice but to succumb to debt slavery under international (mainly Jewish) bankers until 1933, when the National Socialists came to power. At that point the German government thwarted the international banking cartels by issuing its own money. World Jewry responded by declaring a global boycott against Germany.
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All I have is second-hand info so I can't be sure about anything but this scenario makes sense. I'm not going to rule it out just because it goes against what I've seen in school and the media. Do you rule it out?

 

I read the original article . . . the one from 1933 . . . which echoes what I said. And I read the original Nazi platform and what it says about Jews. Why should I ignore historical facts just because of what this blog has to say?

 

A lot of "Historical facts" have been shown to be lies. Here's an example. Listen to these two speeches of Hitler's.

Adolf Hitler Explains His Reasons For Invading The Soviet Union
https://archive.org/details/AdolfHitlerExplainsHisReasonsForInvadingTheSovietUnion

Adolf Hitler - Why Germany Invaded Poland
https://altcensored.com/watch?v=pe0gIdVgeow

He may have been lying to the German people and soldiers but at least we know what they were thinking as the German army invaded Poland and Russia. Americans are taught that Hitler said to the German people, "We should invade eastern Europe to expand German territory" and the German people said, "Good idea, let's do it".
The German people and soldiers believed (perhaps wrongly) they were righting old wrongs and defending their territory. That is one confirmed lie that the American government tells the American people. Does that make you a little suspicious? If there's one lie, there may be others.

 

I'll remind you: I'm talking about one issue at a time. Removing citizenship from Jews was part of the Nazi platform as it was published at the time. If you want to pretend that isn't true, then I have no reason to believe any of the newspaper articles you are talking about involving Jews being at "war" with Germany are true. They must all be fake.

 

Please address the point I made in my last post. Do you still take "Historic facts" to be true? Whether "Historic facts" are true is part of this issue.

 

Yes. I believe historical facts exist. Everyone who acknowledges that reality exists believes that historical facts exist.

If you would like to baselessly deny the existence of the Nazi party platform . . . which the Nazis never denied . . . which we have original copies of . . . which no historian denies . . . which not even any denialist denies . . . then I deny that there was ever actually an article about Jews declaring war on Germany. It's the same logic. If you would like to be the first and only person in history to deny the Nazi party platform, be my guest.

 

In post #409 I pointed out a "Historical fact" that was a blatant lie. Please address this.

 

Yes. People can be wrong about history. That does not mean that historical facts do not exist. Please address the fact that your standard means that all of the links you provided must be regarded as false. Historical facts are blatant lies, so every historical fact you've claimed to cite is a lie, including the one we are talking about now. The newspaper articles you cited about Jews declaring "war" on Germany must be a lie because sometimes people lie about history.

 

If

If we find one "Historical fact" that has been shown to be a lie, there may be more. This doesn't mean that all "historical facts" are lies. It just means that we can't assume that something we learned in school or the media is true as it might turn out to be another lie. You are presenting your "Historical" fact as the truth.

 

I've provided a historical source. Is there any historical source that challenges your beliefs that would you accept as a fact . . . even if you are apparently the ONLY person in existence who denies said historical fact?

Apparently your only standard for whether or not a historical fact is true is if it fits your narrative or not.

What would you accept as a factual source for the party platform of the Nazis? Surely you understand that they had a platform. What would you accept as a source for that platform?

 

You still haven't addressed the issue I asked you to address in post #409.

I'm signing off now as it's late in my time zone. I'll be back tomorrow.

 

Yes. I did. You are saying that you are unwilling to accept any historical source that could possibly challenge your position, even if you are the only person in existence, throughout all of history, even among the Nazis themselves, to deny that source. You are saying we can't even know what the platform of the Nazi party is. When you come back tomorrow, you will continue saying that.

 

Yet the Nazi's were horrified by America's one-drop rule.

 

STILL NO "HOMICIDAL GAS CHAMBERS".....WHY?

In the thread you started, "How are you different online?"(1), you characterize yourself as: "....a stoic, calm, supportive person who keeps his cool in the worst of circumstances."
You continue to tell us: "I competed in debate in high school and college, and my approach was always laid-back, calm (once again), and calculating."

For weeks I have been trying to get you to support your claim about homicidal gas chambers by producing a photograph, blueprint, work order or maintenance request for a homicidal gas chamber but, so far, you've been entirely unable or unwilling to do so.

I've written Post after Post showing that the claims about homicidal gas, steam and electrocution chambers were nothing but Allied propaganda.(2)

The only evidence to support the homicidal gas chamber story are false confessions made by tortured German POWs and lies told by dishonest individuals eager for 15 minutes of fame and lots of money like Moshe Peer (3) who claims to have survived 6 gassings and Gena Turgel who claims to have been gassed without even knowing it. Innumerable German POWs were deliberately murdered based on the lies told by proven frauds.

Then, in order to kill so many people, the Germans would have needed hundreds of homicidal gas chambers which would have generated a paper trail miles long but you can still produce nothing.

Why?

I can only guess that you have confused what you considered "calculating" in High School with simple evasion in the adult world.

So, do you have any evidence that homicidal gas chambers existed other than Allied propaganda, tortured confessions, impossible stories(3) and delousing chamber ruins?

Thanks,





(1). How are you different online?
http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/how-are-you-different-online.611383/#post-1074283396


(2). “Auschwitz: Myths and Facts”
http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

EXCERPT “Allied Propaganda

The Auschwitz gassing story is based in large part on the hearsay statements of former Jewish inmates who did not personally see any actual signs of extermination. Their beliefs are understandable, because rumors about gassings at Auschwitz were widespread. Allied planes dropped large numbers of leaflets, written in Polish and German, on Auschwitz and the surrounding areas which claimed that people were being gassed in the camp. The Auschwitz gassing story, which was an important part of the Allied wartime propaganda effort, was also broadcast to Europe by Allied radio stations. [15] CONTINUED

15. Nuremberg document NI-11696. NMT "green series," Vol. 8, p. 606.


(3). “Dozens & Dozens of the Most Outrageous Tales of the Holocaust”
http://wolfgangrudolf.blogspot.com/2016/12/dozens-dozens-of-most-outrageous-tales.html

EXCERPTS:
• Moshe Peer's astounding Holy Shoah tale - Gassed six times by the Nazis and survived!! - Claims people were murdered in gas chambers at Bergen-Belsen

• William Lowenberg's astounding Holocaust tale - Had a magic thirst-quenching pebble, did not drink water, survived on his saliva for 3 years

• Yankel Wiernik's Holotale - Babies torn in half, woman leaps 10 ft barbed-wire fence, guards nail inmates' ears to walls, jews roasted on giant outdoor hibachis

• Testimony from the Eichmann Trial by Leon Wells - Dug up and burned bodies, used bone-grinding machine, ate lunch on top of corpses

• Irene Zisblatt's incredible Holocaust tale- Ate and retrieved diamonds from feces, had 2 post-sterilization children, weighed 40 lbs when liberated

• Rivka Yosselevska's absurd Holocaust fable - Escaped biting jew corpses, witnessed geysers of blood” CONTINUED

 

Compared to the massive accumulated historical record your sources do not seem credible, but you are certainly free to believe them.

Many years ago I asked a Jewish friend of German descent if he was sure the Holocaust data was reliable, and he showed me his well maintained family tree.
The German branches all virtually dead after WW II. I found that very convincing, but not as convincing as the well documented historical record.

 

In post #409* I pointed out a blatant lie in what Americans are taught which would make an objective thinking person wonder about the reliability of the historical record. Let's hear your analysis of what I pointed out.


*
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...he-jews-part-2.610995/page-17#post-1074283687

 

Please quote or tag me if you are going to be talking about our conversation so that I get an alert. Your standard seems to be that, because some people have lied about some historical facts, that there is nothing about the historical record we can ever trust about anything. Since you reject the historical facts of the Nazi platform (and appear to be the only one who has ever existed or will ever exist to do so), without any basis, I reject all of your links. We, by your standard, must reject any and all claims about history.

 

Source? And why did they think their own fractional blood rules were better?

 

Show me where I said that.

It's more than some people. It's the official story. The official story has a big lie in it. There are probably more.
You don't seem to think that this is important. Do you think this confirmed lie is important?