Hitler's hatred of the Jews (part 2)

Ok how about the top 10 DEATH CAMPS
then the top 10 other camps?
If you claim no historian denies then you have had to read all the historians, so come on man cough up the goods here or concede you simply made it all up.

 

thats easy simply give us the list of death camps and other camps to we can discuss them rationally. Hell you just posted a prop door, just a door, no gas chamber claiming it was from Majanek and expected us to believe it.

Why should we believe your camp claims?

 

I have a source that confirms what @Kokomojojo has said and provides photos debunking the standard Holocaust narrative.





Hungarian Jewish women with their babies at Dachau, May 1945





Holocaust survivors who tell the truth are censored, slandered and even persecuted by the Holocaust Industry which has trained cult members to reject facts they can't disprove as "anti Semitic" or just "conspiracy theories"

Photos from:
"HOLOCAUST DEPROGRAMMING COURSE"
https://fullcontrol.se/holocaust-deprogramming-course.html


Please let me know what you think.

Thanks,

 

MORE EVASIONS, EXCUSES AND FALSEHOODS

Rarely have I seen so many falsehoods in so few words.
First, I have never called the whole, standard Holocaust narrative a "hoax" but you cannot deny that since its grisly inception the Holocaust Industry is guilty of attempting to deceive the world for money using numerous hoaxes that still work in deceiving the gullible..

For example, what would you call the earlier slanderous claims about human skin lampshades, human fat soap, shrunken heads, human skin pocketbooks, the homicidal vaporizer (1) except deliberate hoaxes ?

Re:

This too is completely false. None of the sources I've quoted have denied that the Holocaust happened and at least half have been mainstream and / or Jewish.

For example, I used the "Jerusalem Post" and NBC News to support the fact that the fraudulent Holocaust Industry is guilty of deliberately filing "...false restitution claims", perpetuating a "...long running scam" and recruiting fake "Holocaust survivors" to cheat German taxpayers who were not even alive during WW 2.

Re:

Please show where you've supported even one claim with a credible source. A photo of a Soviet modified delousing chamber door doesn't support anything.

Re:

How could you have such a wish when you cannot or will not answer salient questions or defend the slanderous myths you've chosen to believe?

If you really wanted to "..talk about the evidence here", you would have answered the six questions you evaded on a related thread.

I invited anyone who believes the standard Holocaust narrative to address them but no one seems able to to answer even one of them:

1. Why would the Soviets have German POWs build a fake gas chamber after the war if there were any real ones?

2. Why are there no blueprints, work orders, maintenance requests for even one, single homicidal gas chamber?

3. Why is there no mention of homicidal gas chambers in any of the wartime German radio transmissions ?

4. Churchill, Eisenhower and de Gaulle all of whom hated the Germans wrote detailed books after the war but nowhere in any of these books is there any reference to a German homicidal gas chamber. Why?

5. The same amount of Zyklon-B per inmate was delivered to all of the work camps for delousing. If those camps that allegedly had homicidal gas chambers really had them, then, those camps allegedly using homicidal gas chambers really had them then those camps would have required more Zyklon-B per inmate.

Why didn't the "death camps" get more Zyklon-B per inmate if they were murdering people via gas?

6. Finally, the Red Cross, too, determined that there was neither a genocidal German agenda nor homicidal gas chambers. Where is the hard evidence?

Thanks,




(1). "Auschwitz: Myths and Facts"
http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

EXCERPT "At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief US prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans had used a "newly invented" device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no trace left of them." [8] No reputable historian now accepts either of these fanciful tales."CONTINUED


(2) "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED


(3). "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED

 

Lol...Stop parroting this antisemitic tripe. You can see skin lampshades, human fat soap and skin bound books at the museum in the old city of Jerusalem. I did.
The other bullshit you threw into your hysterical mix is either for effect or out of pure ignorance of where they originate. Educate yourself.

 

Your sources are all agenda driven. The sources I have provided, like the Guardian, are not focused on Jews and the Holocaust. They are far more credible.

Google "Holocaust denial" and you will find many sources that are not so focused on Jews and the Holocaust.
Here are a couple of pages of results, most of the sources have a far broader focus.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Legality_of_Holocaust_denial
   Legality of Holocaust denial - Wikipedia
   Sixteen European countries, along with Canada and Israel, have laws against Holocaust denial, the denial of the systematic genocidal killing of approximately six million Jews in Europe by Nazi Germany in the 1930s and 1940s. Many countries also have broader laws that criminalize genocide denial.
2. https://allthatsinteresting.com › holocaust-deniers
   Holocaust Deniers: Who They Are And Why They Believe
   In October 1943, the SS police head and "Architect of the Final Solution" delivered a clandestine speech to Nazi party officials wherein he detailed the fact that the Holocaust was to be conducted in secret, and thus be "an unwritten and never-to-be-written page of glory in our history."
3. https://antisemitism.adl.org › denial
   Antisemitism Uncovered: Myth - The Holocaust Didn't Happen
   In its most developed form, Holocaust denial is an antisemitic conspiracy theory that claims Jews around the world knowingly fabricated evidence of their own genocide in order to extract reparations from Germany, gain world sympathy and facilitate the alleged theft of Palestinian land for the creation of Israel.
4. https://www.bbc.com › news › entertainment-arts-38758249
   The true story behind denying the Holocaust - BBC News
   Mr Irving had claimed Prof Lipstadt's book, Denying the Holocaust: The Growing Assault on Truth and Memory, had destroyed his livelihood and generated "waves of hatred" against him. In her...
5. https://mtsu.edu › first-amendment › article › 1116 › holocaust-denial
   Holocaust Denial | The First Amendment Encyclopedia
   Holocaust denial is strongest in countries with direct experience with the Nazi past (such as Germany, France, and Austria), but deniers are also active in the United States, the United Kingdom, and Canada. Although the earliest examples of denial began immediately after World War II, Holocaust deniers emerged as a cultural phenomenon in the ...
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6. https://www.bbc.co.uk › history › worldwars › genocide › deniers_01.shtml
   BBC - History - World Wars: Denying the Holocaust
   Holocaust deniers are people who contend that the Holocaust - the attempt by Nazi Germany to annihilate European Jewry during World War Two - never happened.
7. https://www.bbc.com › news › world-europe-60072506
   UN defines Holocaust denial in new resolution - BBC News
   UN defines Holocaust denial in new resolution 20 January 2022 The Holocaust Getty Images Child survivors at the Nazi concentration camp at Auschwitz-Birkenau in southern Poland in 1945 The UN...
8. https://www.snopes.com › news › 2017 › 04 › 14 › how-holocaust-denial-works
   How Holocaust Denial Works | Snopes.com
   Published Apr 14, 2017. The Holocaust happened. It is a fact that some six million European Jews were systematically murdered by Nazi Germany and its collaborators between 1941 and 1945 in a state ...
9. https://www.adl.org › resources › backgrounder › debunking-holocaust-denial-claims
   Debunking Holocaust Denial Claims | ADL
   Holocaust deniers use a range of myths to "prove" the validity of their claims. They share these lies in the texts of pseudo-academic journals, antisemitic and conspiratorial websites and publications and as click-bait memes used by online extremists. Here are three major Holocaust denial claims — and the facts to debunk them: 1.
10. https://www.myjewishlearning.com › article › holocaust-denial
    Holocaust Denial | My Jewish Learning
    Holocaust denial proponents point to the World Almanac for proof. The 1940 edition listed the world's Jewish population at 15,319,359. By the 1949 edition, deniers assert, that figure is listed as 15,713,638. How could six million, over one-third of all Jews in the world, be murdered and the population increase? ...
11. https://www.splcenter.org › fighting-hate › extremist-files › ideology › holocaust-denial
    Holocaust Denial | Southern Poverty Law Center
    Background Holocaust denial has long been an essential manifestation of antisemitism in the radical right. The Institute for Historical Review (IHR), formed by Willis Carto in 1978, became the first major Holocaust denial group to develop a substantial membership base, though deniers had been active prior to its existence.
12. https://www.theguardian.com › commentisfree › 2023 › jun › 08 › jamie-driscoll-labour-keir-starmer-north-of-tyne-mayor
    Notes on a scandal: this is how Starmer's bullies took out Jamie ...
    Jun 8, 2023Driscoll replies that Holocaust denial is "abhorrent" and that he has signed up to the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance's definition of antisemitism. He recalls how he used to ...
13. https://simple.wikipedia.org › wiki › Holocaust_denial
    Holocaust denial - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Holocaust denial. Holocaust denial is the claim that the Holocaust did not happen, or was think it was. Historians agree that during World War II, the Nazis did kill millions of people during the Holocaust, including many people in concentration camps. They agree that there is more proof in writing, pictures, and places about the Holocaust than ...
14. https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org › content › en › article › holocaust-denial-key-dates
    Holocaust Denial: Key Dates | Holocaust Encyclopedia
    Invasion of the Soviet Union, June 1941 Magnus Hirschfeld D-Day Anne Frank Biography: Who was Anne Frank? Treaty of Versailles This timeline lists some key events in the evolution of Holocaust denial. اُردو 简体中文
15. https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org › content › en › article › combating-holocaust-denial-origins-of-holocaust-denial
    Combating Holocaust Denial: Origins of Holocaust Denial
    Español. Nazi policy did a great deal to facilitate denial of the Holocaust even as the killing operation unfolded across German-occupied Europe during World War II. The Holocaust was a state secret in Nazi Germany. The Germans wrote down as little as possible. Most of the killing orders were verbal, particularly at the highest levels.
16. www.ihr.org › leaflets › denial.shtml
    What is 'Holocaust Denial'? - Institute for Historical Review
    In Canada, David Matas, Senior Counsel for the "League for Human Rights" of the Zionist B'nai B'rith organization, says: [1] "The Holocaust was the murder of six million Jews, including two million children. Holocaust denial is a second murder of those same six million. First their lives were extinguished; then their deaths.

 

Have you taken a thorough look at the other side of the debate?
http://politicalforum.com/index.php...locaust-denial.609023/page-35#post-1074276788

 

"THE 'ANTI-SEMITE' TRICK"

Thank you for further demonstrating, again, that people who actually believe the standard Holocaust narrative are entirely incapable of articulating an honest and civil refutation of the facts.

First, there is nothing "anti Semitic" about rejecting the bigoted anti German slander peddled by the fraudulent Holocaust Industry (1), (2) to anyone gullible enough to believe the impossible.
Former Israeli Education Minister, Shulamit Aloni was kind enough to accurately characterize the dishonest overuse of the accusation "anti Semite":

“Well, it’s a trick, we always use it. When from Europe somebody is criticizing Israel, then we bring up the Holocaust. When in this country people are criticizing Israel, then they are anti-Semitic.....

And it’s very easy to blame people who criticize certain acts of the Israeli government as anti-Semitic, and to bring up the Holocaust, and the suffering of the Jewish people, and that is to justify everything we do to the Palestinians.”CONTINUED

Shulamit Aloni
https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1906/S00076/dont-be-caught-out-by-the-trick.htm

Next, I don't know what sort grisly relics you may have seen in the old city of Jerusalem or Holocaust theme park but not even mainstream historians believe that the Germans used human skin or human fat for anything. I assume that the shrunken heads and "homicidal vaporizer" were nearby.

The truth is that the things that were on display long ago were just part of Allied atrocity propaganda and were featured in Billy Wilder's movie "Death Mills". The "human skin" turned out to be goat flesh, the "human fat soap" was just regular soap and the shrunken heads came from Africa.


"The "Liberation of the Camps": FACTS vs. LIES"
https://preterhuman.net/docs/The_"Liberation_of_the_Camps":_FACTS_vs._LIES
EXCERPT:
"No Lampshades, No Handbags, Etc.

" What of the ghoulish stories of concentration camp inmates skinned for their tattoos, flayed to make lampshades and handbags, or other artifacts? What of the innumerable "torture racks," "meathooks," whipping posts, gallows, and other tools of torment and death that are reported to have abounded at every German camp? These allegations, and even more grotesque ones profferred by Soviet prosecutors, found their way into the record at Nuremberg.

The lampshade and tattooed-skin charges were made against Ilse Koch, dubbed by journalists the "Bitch of Buchenwald," who was reported to have furnished her house with objects manufactured from the tanned hides of luckless inmates. But General Lucius Clay, military governor of the U.S. zone of occupied Germany, who reviewed her case in 1948, told his superiors in Washington: "There is no convincing evidence that she [Ilse Koch] selected inmates for extermination in order to secure tattooed sins or that she possessed any articles made of human skin."^7 In an interview General Clay gave years later, he stated about the material for the infamous lampshades: "Well, it turned out actually that it was goat flesh. But at the trial it was still human flesh. It was almost impossible for her to have gotten a fair trial."^8 Ilse Koch hanged herself in a West German jail in 1967." CONTINUED


The rest of your puerile and insulting Post is not worth reporting.
I'd rather leave it as further proof that that no one can refute facts showing that the standard Holocaust narrative is grossly exaggerated anti German slander.



(1)"17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U


EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED



(2)"HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"

http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298


EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED

 

My comments about Lipstadt were intended for another person.
The fake Soviet gas chamber built by German POWs is more evidence of deliberate fraud and a true story that I supported earlier.

Is the snarky tone really necessary?

 

I'm not sure about Surfer Joe, but I have, and I'm willing to discuss it with someone who is willing to talk about one topic at a time. Shall we pick one from your list? How about the whole "Judea declares war on Germany" thing? Are you willing to discuss that?

 

and many will follow if the speaker appeals to their needs. Hitler is a perfect example of a socialist (leftist) promising utopia if the people just fall in line. It required control of messaging and the limited media at the time. Sadly, it's a playbook still used today by leftist political parties including the Democrat party in the USA.

 

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Ok @Ddyad I will address every one of your claims, please do the same!

Do you have any forensic evidence?

What's the final solution can you show us?

I've never seen any evidence, can you post some evidence please

Well that would make sense since those particular countries would have all the first hand witnesses that actually experienced the event, I don't see the point in your mentioning something like that?

So then it was a failed attempt, not an accomplished fact is that what you're trying to say?

I was always told that the children were immediately murdered off the trains how could this possibly be true?

What system were they systematically murdered by? I've never seen any system in place to murder anyone , do you have any forensic data on this?

Would you please show us this comprehensive plan of the final solution that you're talking about? My understanding it was the deport the Jews from Germany do you have a different understanding?

Would you please post these German documentary evidence that prove the Holocaust that your link is claiming

So then where are the six million coming from since there was only 4 million in the whole occupied territory?
Vad yasham is still missing 1.5 million Jews to this day in his collection of Jews that allegedly had anything to do whatsoever with European theater

Wait a minute this is really strange how can denial of an event in history be racist? That seems like a stretch to me can you explain that please?

Yeah that's just a personal opinion no different than someone disbelieving and someone else's religion

So then historians agree that Nazis killed millions of people but they only killed many people in the concentration camps, not millions like we're told?

BY ALL MEANS POST IT! I've been waiting to see this my whole life! You will be my hero!

From what I've seen the Anne Frank diaries are arguably forged.

Killing operation? What killing operation? Again I've been unable to find such a thing?

Yes here again we get right back to the same problem, how does denying a historical event translate into some sort of racism? That stretchs my imagination to the point of pain.


Anyone can go online and grab up a bunch of links that says all kinds of things, BUT we all know what separates facts from bull is those who can FORENSICALLY VALIDATE their sources.
Good luck with that!

 

Why do you think that people who believe the standard Holocaust narrative write such angry and sanctimonious comments?

As I wrote earlier, Lipstadt trades exclusively in self righteous bombastic slander.
Because she knows so little about the subject,
during the Irving vs Lipstadt trial she was prohibited from opening her mouth and the $30 million Holocaust Industry legal team did all the work.

Because Irving was alone and with no legal representation, he didn't have a chance.

Thanks,

 

yeh it sets a false precedence of my legal team is better than yours truth and fact be damned.

 

Again you are unable to cite any credible sources which is probably why you have become so disinformed.

 

I think its important to understand that in a debate burden of proof lies with the claimant.

You have made several claims , I have merely asked questions to discover if your claims have anything that I need to rebut, and so far you provided nothing.

Like I said:
Anyone can go online and grab up a bunch of links that says all kinds of things, BUT we all know what separates facts from bull is those who can FORENSICALLY VALIDATE their sources.

I didnt expect you to cave quite this fast after coming on so strong.

 

You are challenging the well documented historical record. The burden is on you.

 

Lipstadt won. Irving lost. Case closed.

 

I agree the claims are well documented, the corroborating 'forensic' evidence however cannot be found and what we have is contrary to the claims

If the corroborating forensic evidence were well documented then you would be able to bury me with forensic evidence, I see none, just naked claims and rhetoric.

So we await your forensic evidence.

 

You are challenging a well documented historical record. The burden is on the deniers.

 

You are wrong.

My approach is exactly the same as any court.

I need to examine any forensic evidence you have in support of YOUR CLAIMS that the holocaust is true.

I cannot legitimately AGREE that the holocaust is true until I see supporting 'forensic' evidence.

Especially since a french court said it was impossible.

Do you agree with the holocaust deniers if they cant provide evidence....of course not.

Im giving you the opportunity to prove up your holocaust claims BEFORE I make my determination if it is true or false.

What you are doing is telling the court here are my claims prove me wrong and all you get out of that is judgment in favor of your opposition.

 

The burden is always on anyone who challenges well documented history. Surely you know that.

 

There is no well documented forensic evidence in support of the Jewish claimed holocaust.

What is being challenged by me is the forensic evidence.

Holocaust denial has a stronger standing right now since it came from the army forensic crime units and they found nothing. (forensically)

Likewise there is no documentation what so ever of anything systematic except deportation.

They concluded it was disease and starvation due to widespread lack of food at the end of the war when allied planes bombed and destroyed the food and medical supply trains going to the camps.

Thats very strong evidence that runs contrary to the holocaust conspiracy theory.

You have the opportunity to defend your holocaust claims, and you seem to be avoiding it, why?

 

The outcome of that trial which was determined by $30 Million dollars and a single, English judge did not in any way validate the standard Holocaust narrative (sHn).

If there were any truth to the sHn then someone who actually believes these grisly fables would be able to answer at least one of the 6 questions I've repeatedly posed.

They are:

1. Why would the Soviets have German POWs build a fake gas chamber after the war if there were any real ones?

2. Why are there no blueprints, work orders, maintenance requests for even one, single homicidal gas chamber?

3. Why is there no mention of homicidal gas chambers in any of the wartime German radio transmissions ?

4. Churchill, Eisenhower and de Gaulle all of whom hated the Germans wrote detailed books after the war but nowhere in any of these books is there any reference to a German homicidal gas chamber. Why?

5. The same amount of Zyklon-B per inmate was delivered to all of the work camps for delousing. If those camps that allegedly had homicidal gas chambers really had them, then, those camps allegedly using homicidal gas chambers really had them then those camps would have required more Zyklon-B per inmate.

Why didn't the "death camps" get more Zyklon-B per inmate if they were murdering people via gas?

6. Finally, the Red Cross, too, determined that there was neither a genocidal German agenda nor homicidal gas chambers. Where is the hard evidence?


Since today's Germans who were not even alive during the war are still being extorted by the insatiable Holocaust Industry, (1), (2) I feel that they at least deserve to know why.

Finally, I feel like it is entirely possible to have different opinions even on emotionally charged topics like this one and remain calm, civil and on topic.

After all: "When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser"
Socrates


Thanks,


(1). "80 years on, Austria’s Jews renew demand for Holocaust reparations"
https://www.clevelandjewishnews.com...cle_20c2a8b0-3725-5281-9c09-2c0751fae4c2.html


(2). "Children of Holocaust survivors want German government to pay for psychiatric care"

 

You're right in that the WW 2 is very well documented but most of the documentations do not support the Allied propaganda narrative.

For example, after the British cracked the German "Enigma" code, they were able to listen in on all the secret, German radio transmissions.

The reason that timid, mainstream historians have not touched these documents is that they refute the standard Holocaust narrative and to tell the truth about the Holocaust.

In all of the thousands of intercepted, secret German radio transmissions there is not one mention of anyone being gassed, tortured or deliberately starved to death.

"The Enemy Is Listening!"
https://www.inconvenienthistory.com/8/1/4028

EXCERPT "Oddly, only a very few Holocaust historians were interested in the information on the concentration camps. The reason for this astonishing lack of interest is presumably due to the following remark by author Hinsley:

The messages from Auschwitz, the largest camp, with 20,000 inmates, mention disease as the chief cause of death, but also include references to executions by hanging and shooting. The decoded messages contain no references to gassings.

To sum up, the following facts may be considered established:
The messages deciphered at Bletchley Park undoubtedly constitute one of the most reliable sources on the course of events during the Second World War.

They provide information on undertakings of the German army, navy, and air force.

They provide an insight into the events occurring behind the Russian front and the conditions in the concentration camps.

Since the reports from Auschwitz contain no information on mass killings, the question of whether the British Intelligence Service "knew about the Holocaust," can be answered with a single word: "No!" CONTINUED


I have read where especially desperate individuals claim that the Germans had a special telepathic ability and didn't need radio waves to communicate but few take that fantasy seriously.

What are your thoughts?

Thanks,