Hitler's hatred of the Jews (part 2)

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  1. Grau

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    That's because I didn't say that they would have needed hundreds of crematoria.

    I said that hundreds of homicidal gas chambers, not crematoria would have been needed to have killed "millions" of people.


    What I wrote at the bottom of my Post # 570 was:

    "If "millions" of people were killed in homicidal gas chambers, hundreds of them would have been required but not one homicidal gas, steam or electrocution chamber has been found."

    Where are they all?"

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    This is a commonly repeated falsehood used to inflate the number of casualties since everything needs cleaning and maintenance.
    Therefore, to clean the muffles, the operation must shut down.

    I've been a blacksmith for over 25 years and have repeatedly seen where cast iron warps, cracks and breaks when exposed to high temperatures for long periods of time.
    Additionally, ash and clinker build up around the air induction sources and frequently need cleaning. They can't be cleaned while in operation.

    Finally, a manager of a large Canadian crematory dismissed the Auschwitz cremation story technically impossible:

    "Absurd Cremation Claims"
    http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

    EXCERPT "Cremation specialists have confirmed that thousands of corpses could not possibly have been cremated every day throughout the spring and summer of 1944 at Auschwitz, as has often been alleged. Ivan Lagacé, manager of a large crematory in Canada, testified in court in April 1988 that the Auschwitz cremation story is technically impossible. The allegation that 10,000 or even 20,000 corpses were burned every day at Auschwitz in the summer of 1944 in crematories and open pits is simply "preposterous" and "beyond the realm of reality," he declared under oath." CONTINUED
     
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    The ability to cremate hundreds of thousands of bodies every year. For some odd reason, the Nazis made sure they would be prepared to dispose of a TON of dead people. I wonder why they felt the need to be prepared for such a thing????

    Hmmmmmmm....


    ;)
     
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    It sounds like you're asking for the function of the German work camps around the WW 2 era.
    Germany's WW 2 era work camp system was part of its prison system in which murderers, rapists, robbers, pedophiles etc were incarcerated with Jews, Communists and other real or perceived threat to the State.

    Auschwitz, Birkenau and Monowitz was a major manufacturing facility that relied a healthy and smooth operating work force.
    Pregnant women and individuals who were unable to work were not immediately gassed as per Holocaust mythology.

    "Auschwitz maternity ward"
    https://fullcontrol.se/holocaust-deprogramming-course.html
    EXCERPT "Over 3,000 live births were registered there, with not a single infant death while Auschwitz was in operation under German rule.
    * Auschwitz pregnancies took place because of the open nature of the facility." CONTINUED

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    Hungarian Jewish women with their babies at Dachau, May 1945

    Briefly put, Germany's prison system was little different than that of any other Western country except that Allied bombing of civilian supply lines made it impossible to provide proper medical care and food supplies near the end of the war.

    For more photos of working and living conditions please see:

    "HOLOCAUST DEPROGRAMMING COURSE"
    https://fullcontrol.se/holocaust-deprogramming-course.html
     
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    Ironic, as some folks could use some Holocaust Denial deprogramming.
     
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    That comes from a BS holocaust deniers forum, I bet. Don’t you think if the pictures were faked there would actually be some evidence from real historians? Here are some views of the bodies taken through a door. One actually shows an edge of another photo that was taken secretly of women being led to the gas chambers. Did it occur to you that the photo was used by somebody else and doctored? This isn’t a bad explanation and seems reasonable to me — http://hungarianskeptics.blogspot.com/2012/12/a-charge-of-forgery-supported-by.html

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    More questions — if the gas chambers were really an area for ‘delousing’ why were they directly connected to cremation furnaces?

    There were actual delousing areas at Auschwitz located elsewhere. When the SS decided to cover up the evidence of gas chambers by destroying them, if they were really only delousing chambers why would they bother to destroy them and leave the real delousing areas alone?

    The following link contains reams of published evidence related to the mass extermination of the Jews. I guess Grau can debunk each and every one of them. If not he can stop posting disgusting and vile revisionist history that he finds on the internet.
    https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2012/10/index-of-published-evidence-on.html
     
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    The Holocaust happened. My mother made sure I knew about it at a young age. I am of German Irish decent. Never forget....you could be next.
     
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    "FACT DENIAL AND MORE ANTI GERMAN BIGOTRY"

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    Your altered photo of a train wreck aftermath taken in 1912 in Ohio is one of the more popular fake / altered photos maintained by the fraudulent Holocaust Industry (1), (2).

    Why would you continue to blindly believe absolutely anything trotted out by a fraudulent Holocaust Industry with its proven history of "long running scams", coaching phony "Holocaust survivors" on how to get more money and other false restitution claims intended to deceive others and extort more money from the German people?

    You have apparently been so thoroughly deceived that you reject anything that exposes the profitable anti German bigotry for what it is.

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    Historians, "real" or otherwise, don't validate photographs, trained forensic scientists using AI do.
    They have revealed thousands of fake or significantly altered atrocity photos used by the Holocaust Industry to deceive the gullible and slander the German people.

    Even a casual evaluation of the photo you chose shows no one in any type of uniform and it really could be from anywhere.

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    I have no idea where these alleged homicidal gas chambers you are talking about are located but because cyanide is extremely volatile, neither a homicidal gas chamber nor a delousing chamber would be located anywhere near cremation muffles. You've been professionally deceived, again.

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    There is no hard evidence that Auschwitz - Birkenau - Monowitz ever had homicidal gas chambers, just hyperbolic stories like the eyewitness account of Moshe Peer who claimed to have survived 6 gassings.

    In my previous comments, I've already supported that fact that there were no homicidal gas chambers with multiple sources you choose to ignore or revile because they contradict the fraudulent Holocaust Industry's narrative you've been duped into believing

    Just like hate filled anti German dupes accused the Germans of cutting off the hands of infants after WW 1, the same professionally deceived individuals still believe WW 2 propaganda (3)




    (1). "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

    EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED


    (2). "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

    EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED


    (3). “Auschwitz: Myths and Facts”
    http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

    EXCERPT “Allied Propaganda

    The Auschwitz gassing story is based in large part on the hearsay statements of former Jewish inmates who did not personally see any actual signs of extermination. Their beliefs are understandable, because rumors about gassings at Auschwitz were widespread. Allied planes dropped large numbers of leaflets, written in Polish and German, on Auschwitz and the surrounding areas which claimed that people were being gassed in the camp. The Auschwitz gassing story, which was an important part of the Allied wartime propaganda effort, was also broadcast to Europe by Allied radio stations. [15] CONTINUED

    15. Nuremberg document NI-11696. NMT "green series," Vol. 8, p. 606.
     
  8. MuchAdo

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    More of the same revisionist garbage @Grau

    Where did all these people go if there were no mass exterminations. Provide some proof of what happened in Auschwitz and where they went. Show some documentation of where they went after Auschwitz because they all couldn’t have stayed there. Why would the Nazi’s destroy anything that would prove Auschwitz wasn’t a death camp. If you can’t, go away.
     
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    "HOW TO RESPOND TO HATE FILLED HOLOCAUSTIAN LIES AND HYSTERIA"

    I've repeatedly tried to have a civil, honest and productive discussions about WW 2 and / or the Holocaust with people who believe the standard Holocaust narrative but, in the seven years I've been at this forum, I've had no luck with people who have been professionally deceived by the masterful propagandists in Hollywood and the multi billion dollar, international Holocaust Industry.



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    Without exception, the supported facts I relate are met with insults, slander, hate filled anti German bigotry and evasion ploys because gullible holocaustians can't refute physical realities that make the standard Holocaust narrative impossible.

    After repeatedly misquoting me, and mindlessly parroting long debunked Holocaust lies, @MuchAdo apparently thinks that tantrums in large, red font are a suitable substitute for honest, rational and credible debate.

    Regrettably, TV educated Holocaustians are oblivious to anything that hasn't been produced and / or censored by the fraudulent Holocaust industry.(1), (2) that has repeatedly been caught in long running scams, lying for money, pity and attention and exaggerating statistics.

    In other words, the same multi billion dollar, international Holocaust Industry that staged horrific camp scenes (3) lied about human skin artifacts, human fat soap, shrunken heads, and even a homicidal "vaporizer"(4) is lying about "6 million Jews killed", homicidal gas, steam and electrocution chambers and a genocidal German agenda.

    In your verbose Post # 582 you reveal: " I know quite a bit about the Holocaust..." but you don't know the most basic fact that cyanide gas should never be anywhere near fire (i.e. crematorium ) or any similar elementary detail.

    In the same tantrum, you deliberately lied about what I wrote concerning Auschwitz having a shoe repair facility.
    I did not write that there was a "shoe factory" nearby as you claimed.
    In fact, the display of shoes was at Majdanek where shoes from other places were brought to be repaired:

    "THE PILES OF SHOES"
    https://fullcontrol.se/holocaust-deprogramming-course.html


    EXCERPT "At Majdanek some of the camp’s buildings were found to be stacked to the rafters with shoes and clothing. This was (and still is) presented to the outside world as belonging to the people who had been “gassed.” The truth was far simpler: Majdanek was the main gathering point for all items seized from deportations to the three Reinhard camps, so the clothing and personal items found there in fact came from four camps, including Majdanek itself.

    In addition, section VI of the camp, where the shoes were found, was a cobbler’s factory, where worn-out shoes were sent from the Eastern Front for repair. This fact was admitted by Polish historian Zdzislaw Lukaszkiewicz as early as 1948 (Zdislaw Lukaszkiewicz, ‘Oboz koncentracyjny i zaglady Majdanek’, in: Biuletyn Glownej Komisji Badania Zbrodni Niemieckich w Polsce, Vol. IV, Warsaw 1948), but is, of course, ignored by the Holocaust storytellers.

    There was even a factory in the Majdanek camp area, staffed by inmates, whose job it was to process the clothing brought in from occupied Poland, clean it, and prepare it for distribution all over the Reich. This was ignored in the propaganda rush, with the result that to this day, visitors are shown piles of clothing and shoes at Majdanek and told they belonged to “gassed” Jews." CONTINUED

    Finally, you demand to know the impossible; what happened to the Jews after the Soviets assumed control of Auschwitz.

    Based only on the sadistic tortured "confessions" of Rudolf Hoess, 4 million people were killed. This "fact" remained part of the standard Holocaust narrative and is still part of the "6 million Jews" myth.

    I will admit that I don't know of any reliable figure for the number of inmates released from Auschwitz - Birkenau - Monowitz but the following Jewish sources refute the "6 million Jews" myth:

    "Was there Really a Holocaust?"
    https://www.biblebelievers.org.au/wasthere.htm

    EXCERPT "The World Almanac for 1947 states that back in 1939 the world Jewish population was 15,688,259. The Almanac's figures were supplied by the American Jewish Committee. Next the Jewish-owned New York Times of February 22, 1948 stated the world Jewish population for that year amounted "to 15,600,000 to 18,700,000 in addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine." How could the Jewish population increase so rapidly over the war years if they had lost 6,000,000 people?"CONTINUED

    In spite of my numerous attempts to be civil and even friendly you have responded with the usual off topic slurs, complete falsehoods and deliberate misquotes that characterize professionally deceived and bigoted holocaustian fanatics.

    If there were any truth to the standard Holocaust narrative, it wouldn't require repressive "Holocaust denial" laws to defend it against honest examination and open debate.





    (1). "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

    EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED


    (2). "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"

    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

    EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED


    (3) “The Director of the Holocau$t - Khazar Expatriate Billy Wilder”
    https://archive.org/details/TheDirectorOfTheHolocaut-KhazarExpatriateBillyWilder

    EXCERPT “Almost all the films you've ever seen of the Holocaust were staged. Using Allied propaganda as a rough script, directors from Hollywood were shipped to Germany and Poland to direct propaganda films for post-war use. One of the most notable of these was Billy Wilder, director of meny very well known films, such as "Some Like It Hot" with Marilyn Monroe." CONTINUED
     
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    You have not been honest because you repeatedly post revisionist lies. So did this masterful propaganda start during the war?

    I have not done anything of the sort. I have refuted your lies. You say you have been civil. That was certainly not civil. Is accusing people of hate, bigotry, and being gullible civil? I used red to make the post stand out because they are hugely important questions you need to answer. If I am going to have a temper tantrum I will use CAPS and angry emojis. Perhaps, your personal attack is a result of me posing questions that you just can’t answer.

    By the way, I am not posting anti-German bigotry, I am referring to what the Nazis did during the war.

    You are using the term ‘slander’ incorrectly as slander is the term for spoken words. Defamation is the term used for written words. I have not defamed you in any manner so stop making false accusations.

    More copy/pasta of the same lies repeated over and over.

    Please answer my questions directly without your misdirecting copy/pasta and personal attacks.

    The Nazis were accused of the worst genocide in history via mass exterminations in gas chambers and you are claiming this did not happen and it’s all propaganda.

    If the Jewish people were not murdered in gas chambers, the Nazis must have kept them somewhere until the war was over.

    So again where were the over 5 million Jews kept and where is the evidence of this? Why were millions still missing after the war?

    Where are all the documents and witnesses of millions of Jews being liberated by the allies?

    Why did the Nazi’s attempt to destroy areas of the camps that witnesses identified as gas chambers and left everything else standing?

    Why would the Nazis destroy evidence that would exonerate them of the assertion that they were murdering Jews?

    Why has documentation been found that shows the existence of gas chambers and other means of extermination?

    Why are there no documents stating where the transported Jews were sent after arriving at Auschwitz?

    Why were there no large crematoria at the numerous other camps, only at the camps where a large number of Jews were sent, disappeared, and never seen again?

    Why, during the trials, did Nazis admit to the gassings and other methods of murder or were all the recordings and transcripts doctored?

    The films taken after liberation were not staged. Where did all the dead bodies come from in the films? Where did they find all the half dead, cadaverous people that were obviously being starved to death? Were documents placed in the camps by the allies that looked authentic during liberation? Why were there four crematoria at Auschwitz other than mass extermination purposes? Why were the supposed showers attached to these crematoria? Why were all the thousands of people supposedly being deloused not seen or heard from again?

    Why have all the historians, present and past, colluded with this manufactured propaganda? It would be common knowledge if it was allied propaganda and the world would know it, not a small population of antisemites that spend their time on the internet manufacturing a new history around what happened in the holocaust. Thankfully, there is enough proof in the form of photos, recordings of accounts, films, and thousands of documents to proof that the revisionists are producing lies.

    It’s obvious that the revisionist crap Grau keeps posting is manufactured by antisemites who can’t engage in critical thinking nor can they acknowledge the very real thousands upon thousands pieces of evidence that could not have been manufactured as propaganda. You and your buddy revisionists produce the same crap over and over and it’s repeatedly debunked. A few of your regurgitated lies pale in comparison to the real evidence that could not have been faked due to its sheer volume. It’s pathetic and disgusting to negate the murder of millions of Jews. Producing the same pieces of twisted information over and over again is not proof that Jews were not being murdered in the death camps in massive numbers. I refuse to be pleasant to people who negate and lie about the murder of millions of innocent people.
     
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    What lot of people don't know is that it wasn't just Hitler or Germans, because people in countries like Latvia, Lithuania, Belarus, Romania, Ukraine etc were more than happy to help Germans kill Jews. In Lithuania, the locals were killing Jews before the Germans started doing it. In one occasion, 250 Jews (men, women and children) were rounded up to a town square and beaten to death with clubs and shovels while the Germans stood by and watched. In Romania, the locals told the Germans that they don't need to come to Romania, because they'll kill their Jews on their own, which they did. Ukrainians hated Russians and were more than happy to put on German uniforms and fight with them, - and kill Jews with them. And at the same time other Ukrainians were forced to fight with the Soviets.
     
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    Jewish people have been persecuted for thousands of years in indescribable ways. It was Hitler who took it to the level of genocide. This kind of thing isn’t taught enough in the high schools and people these days don’t have a lot of information of past persecution of Jews especially the holocaust. Some people don’t even believe humans are capable of such evil. Obviously they are. Due to this lack of knowledge, it is necessary to make sure information that is posted is true which means answering all of Graus offensive claims. He’ll be along any minute to debunk your ‘propaganda’.
     
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    Yes, Nazis took it to an industrial level, which the world has never seen before, but my point was that the hatred was actually more widespread than most realize.
     
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    Yes I got that immediately. And you are absolutely right the hatred was actually more widespread than most realize.
     
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    @MuchAdo, I see no point in perpetuating what has become a rancorous and unproductive exchange.

    My first comments to you were not only civil but an attempt to be friendly since I know how easily triggered some of the more extremist believers in the standard Holocaust narrative can be.

    You did, indeed, deliberately misquote me and went on to claim what I didn't say was "moronic".

    In my Post # 569, I wrote that Auschwitz(*) had a "shoe repair facility" but you claimed that I wrote "shoe factory" that produced "scuffed up shoes".
    You further claimed that I wrote that the shoes were "planted there" when I said no such thing.

    @MuchAdo, Post # 582

    "It’s actually moronic to claim things like the piles of thousands of shoes came from a shoe factory nearby and were planted at the camps. Seriously, was the shoe factory producing worn scuffed up shoes with holes in them?"


    While stooping to such a level of dishonesty is entirely in keeping with those who slander the German people using long running scams (1) and false restitution claims(2), I'm not going to waste more time having my thoughts deliberately distorted by someone unwilling to acknowledge basic physical realities; i.e. cyanide gas and fire don't mix.



    (1) "17 CHARGED IN $42 MILLION HOLOCAUST FRAUD CASE"
    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/40093058/...ed-million-holocaust-fraud-case/#.XU62pSMwi_U

    EXCERPT "Federal prosecutors said Tuesday they have broken up a long-running scam in which people falsely claimed to be victims of the Nazi persecution so they could get money out of a fund that pays Holocaust reparations."CONTINUED



    (2) "HOLOCAUST CLAIMS CONFERENCE FRAUD LIKELY ‘MUCH HIGHER’ THAN $57 MILLION"
    http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Holoc...aud-likely-much-higher-than-57-million-408298

    EXCERPT "For over a decade, a criminal ring within the organization embezzled tens of millions of dollars through false restitution claims.”CONTINUED


    (*) I meant Majdanek
     
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    I actually wasn’t referring to you as being moronic, I read that on one of the revisionist websites. I generally ignore your posts. I was alluding to the denizens of the revisionist forums as being moronic. I apologize for getting that one thing wrong but you are focussing on that and posting more of the same copy/pasta that you post over and over which is irrelevant. Why don’t you answer my questions instead of ignoring them?

    As far as your irrelevant comments about people falsely claiming to be victims of Nazi persecution to get money, what does that have to do with anything? So people lie to get money, the world is full of liars and cheats. It no way proves that the Nazi’s did not murder Jewish people in many different ways. Your thinking is faulty.

    The reason you aren’t going to waste your time anymore is because you obviously can’t answer my very important questions that would show everyone that millions of Jews were not wiped off the face of the planet by the Nazi’s. I doubt after reading the latest posts in this thread anybody would believe you anymore if your answer to ‘where have all the Jewish people gone’ and the other questions I asked is a useless link to people being cheats.

    You have failed at convincing people that the Holocaust was allied propaganda. Failed miserably.

    Last thing, relating to the basic physical reality of cyanide and fire. A concentration of cyanide at a minimum of 56000 parts per million would cause an explosion. It takes 300 ppm to kill humans within a few minutes. A person could have lit a bonfire within the gas chambers without an explosion. The gas chambers were not within the crematoria either so what is your point exactly.

    The Nazi’s themselves wrote about the dangers of Zyklon-B and this document was presented as evidence in the Nuremberg trials. They wrote:

    Danger of explosion: 75 grams of HCN in 1 cubic meter of air. Normal application approx. 8-10 grams per cubic meter, therefore not explosive.

    You can read this document for proof yourself and learn the basic reality of cyanide and fire. It was of no concern in the concentrations used to kill Jewish people.

    https://archive.org/details/NI9912ENG/mode/

    If that doesn’t make it obvious to others that you are posting misinformation, I don’t know what will.

    It speaks volumes when somebody runs away because they can’t answer relevant questions. You refuse to because you can’t answer where the Jews went other than the answer — they were murdered by the Nazi’s.

    End of.
     
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    This is a rather interesting article about revisionists that I came across —

    https://www.mit.edu/activities/safe/writings/holocaust-rev

    GIVING THE DEVIL HIS DUE: HOLOCAUST REVISIONISM AS A TEST CASE FOR FREE SPEECH
    AND THE SKEPTICAL ETHIC

    By Frank Miele

    Contents:
    * Introduction
    * The Criminalization of Revisionism
    * Ernst Zundel: Playing With Fire
    * L'Affaire Faurisson
    * The Leuchter Protocol
    * David Irving: Self-Made Historian
    * Down the Slippery Slope
    * Can There Be Valid Holocaust Revisionism?
    * Bibliography
    * Sidebar 1: Holocaust Revisionism and the Law
    * Sidebar 2: Also Sprach Zundel
     
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    The only problem is that with the weight of eyewitness accounts, and not only victim accounts, the burden is on the deniers.
     
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    Answer my questions and stop with your attempts to divert the conversation elsewhere. Go ahead and report me, I don’t care, I still can ask questions. Readers are judging exactly what you are doing, you lose because you run away or make baseless threats.

    Where did all the missing Jewish people go? They were either murdered or resettled elsewhere. If you can’t show they were resettled, they must have been murdered. I think people get that.
     
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    upload_2023-8-1_18-28-30.png some of the " missing" Jews.
     
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    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    First, I feel that I must clarify that I do not deny that the Holocaust happened; I've simply seen where parts of it have been grossly exaggerated for the sake of fame and fortune.

    Next, I think that you are assuming that all eyewitnesses are all 100% truthful and are all 100% consistent when most contradict each other or are grossly exaggerated.(*)

    Germany's WW 2 era work camps were all part of Germany's prison system that included murderers, rapists, pedophiles, thieves and other con artists who are unlikely to be entirely truthful when an opportunity to be a celebrity presents itself.

    For example, do you really think that a convicted murder, rapist, thief or con artist would tell the whole truth upon being liberated?

    "Dubious testimony" (1)

    EXCERPTS. "French historian Germain Tillion, a specialist of the Second World War period, has warned that former camp inmates who lie are, in fact, very much more numerous than people generally suppose, and a subject like that of the concentration camp world -- well designed, alas, to stimulate sado-masochistic imaginations -- offered them an exceptional field of action. We have known numerous mentally damaged persons, half-swindlers and half fools, who exploited an imaginary deportation. We have known others of them -- authentic deportees -- whose sick minds strove to even go beyond the monstrosities that they had seen or that people said happened to them.

    "Jewish historian Samuel Gringauz, who was himself interned in the ghetto of Kaunas (Lithuania) during the war, criticized what he called the "hyperhistorical" nature of most Jewish "survivor testimony." He wrote that "most of the memoirs and reports are full of preposterous verbosity, graphomanic exaggeration, dramatic effects, overestimated self-inflation, dilettante philosophizing, would-be lyricism, unchecked rumors, bias, partisan attacks and apologies." /61

    "Shmuel Krakowki, archives director of the Israeli government's Holocaust center, Yad Vashem, confirmed in 1986 that more than 10,000 of the 20,000 "testimonies" of Jewish "survivors" on file there are "unreliable." Many survivors, wanting "to be part of history" may have let their imaginations run away with them, Krakowski said. "Many were never in the places where they claimed to have witnessed atrocities, while others relied on second-hand information given them by friends or passing strangers." He confirmed that many of the testimonies on file at Yad Vashem were later proved to be inaccurate when locations and dates could not pass an expert historian's appraisal. " CONTINUED


    Finally, the Red Cross interviewed thousands of former inmates and not one had seen or known about homicidal gas, steam, electrocution chambers except through Allied propaganda leaflets(2).

    So, in reality, there is no, single, monolithic "eyewitness testimony " but really just thousands of different, individual stories that are very rarely consistent.

    Thanks,




    (*) "Holocaust - Survivors who Tell the Truth")
    https://archive.org/details/Holocaust-SurvivorsWhoTellTheTruth

    EXCERPT "Investigations of physical evidence and original documentation, however, have cast doubts on the Holocaust narrative that has been formed. For example, areas claimed to be mass graves, have been found with modern investigative technology to contain no human remains. Testimonies of accused perpetrators show evidence of outright fabrication, or were obtained through torture. Many of the supposed eyewitnesses have provided stories riddled by inconsistencies, describe physically impossible events, or were even total frauds who were never actually in the camps." CONTINUED


    (1). "The Nuremberg Trials and the Holocaust"
    https://www.ihr.org/jhr/v12/v12p167_Webera.html



    (2). “Auschwitz: Myths and Facts”
    http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

    EXCERPT “Allied Propaganda

    The Auschwitz gassing story is based in large part on the hearsay statements of former Jewish inmates who did not personally see any actual signs of extermination. Their beliefs are understandable, because rumors about gassings at Auschwitz were widespread. Allied planes dropped large numbers of leaflets, written in Polish and German, on Auschwitz and the surrounding areas which claimed that people were being gassed in the camp. The Auschwitz gassing story, which was an important part of the Allied wartime propaganda effort, was also broadcast to Europe by Allied radio stations. [15] CONTINUED

    15. Nuremberg document NI-11696. NMT "green series," Vol. 8, p. 606.
     
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    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    More "missing" Jews who have been beaten, starved and worked to death:

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    11 million Jews in Europe before WW2.

    5 million survived the ghettos, the concentration camps, the death camps, the death squads.

    Around 6 million, didn't survive.

    But that's ok, cuz they were a "collective Communist threat", as @Grau puts it.


    ;)
     
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    The photo that Grau posted of smiling polish prisoners was taken when the labour camp Dachau was liberated. This photo in no way negates the mass extermination of Jewish people at the hands of the Nazi’s. This photo is often used by revisionists and deniers as proof that Jewish people weren’t mistreated and murdered.

    This photo was also taken at Dachau on liberation day.

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    Holocaust revisionists and deniers:

    Answer the following questions.

    If the Jewish people were not murdered in gas chambers, the Nazis must have kept them somewhere until the war was over. Where did they all disappear to?

    This a photo from one day of transports to Auschwitz.
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    Where are all the documents and witnesses of millions of Jews being liberated by the allies?

    Why did the Nazi’s attempt to destroy areas of the camps that witnesses identified as gas chambers and left everything else standing?

    Why would the Nazis destroy evidence that would exonerate them of the assertion that they were murdering Jews?

    Why has documentation been found that shows the existence of gas chambers and other means of extermination?

    Why are there no documents stating where the transported Jews were sent after arriving at Auschwitz?

    Why were there no large crematoria at the numerous other camps, only at the 6 camps where a large number of Jews were sent, disappeared, and never seen again?

    Why, during the trials, did Nazis admit to the gassings and other methods of murder or were all the recordings and transcripts doctored?

    Where did all the dead bodies come from in the liberation films? Where did they find all the half dead, cadaverous people that were obviously being starved to death to use in these films if they were staged?

    Were documents placed in the camps by the allies that looked authentic during liberation?

    Why were there four crematoria at Auschwitz other than mass extermination purposes? Why were the supposed showers attached to these crematoria?

    Why were all the thousands of people supposedly being deloused not seen or heard from again?

    Why have all the historians, present and past, colluded with this manufactured propaganda? It would be common knowledge if it was allied propaganda and the world would know it, not a small population of revisionists that spend their time on the internet manufacturing a new history around what happened in the holocaust.

    It is pathetic and disgusting and illogical to negate the murder of millions of Jews especially using a photo of smiling prisoners on liberation day at Dachau.
     
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    Its interesting how some people claim they do not deny the Holocaust, even though they say millions of Jews were not murdered by the Nazis, there were no death camps, no gas chambers, no death squads. But they do say that the Jews of Europe were a collective communist threat.

    Funny huh?

    ;)
     
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