Hitler's hatred of the Jews (part 2)

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  1. Ronstar

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    And yet you claim millions of Jews were not intentionally murdered by the Nazis and their fascist allies, you claim there were no gas Chambers or death camps. You claim the Jews of Europe were a collective communist threat. Irony.

    Meanwhile you claim that Eisenhower intentionally murdered 1 million German POWs, without any evidence.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Other_Losses
     
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    I think it's very interesting how someone could claim the Holocaust didn't happen, and then a minute later say that the Jews of Europe were a collective communist threat and therefore deserved to be persecuted.
     
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    According to Jewish sources, the grossly inflated death toll of "6 Million Jews killed" is not possible.

    EXCERPT "The World Almanac for 1947 states that back in 1939 the world Jewish population was 15,688,259. The Almanac's figures were supplied by the American Jewish Committee. Next the Jewish-owned New York Times of February 22, 1948 stated the world Jewish population for that year amounted "to 15,600,000 to 18,700,000 in addition to the 600,000 to 700,000 living in Palestine." How could the Jewish population increase so rapidly over the war years if they had lost 6,000,000 people?"CONTINUED (1)


    Since about 150,000 both full and mixed Jews served in Hitler's military(2) with some reaching Germany's highest ranks and earning Germany's most prestigious honors(2) some of them must have been killed fighting for Germany.

    No one I know doubts that there were executions via shooting and hanging but, according to mainstream historian, Arno Mayer, more people died from disease and natural causes than by execution.

    The crematoria which are presented with sinister overtones were needed to save lives from the spread of typhus not because the Germans had some sadistic delight in burning bodies.

    "In order to put a stop to the epidemics, we were forced to burn the bodies of incalculable numbers of people who had been destroyed by disease. We were therefore forced to build crematoria, and on this account they are knotting a noose for us."

    Heinrich Himmler

    21 April 1945

    Gerald Reitlinger, The Final Solution, 2nd ed., Vallentine, Mitchell, London, 1968, p. 521. AlsoMoment (Jewish monthly published in Boston), vol. 11, no. 1, Dec. 1985, p. 51.




    (1). "Was there Really a Holocaust?"
    https://cdn.preterhuman.net/texts/unsorted/WAS THERE REALLY A HOLOCAUST.htm


    (2). “Hitler’s Jewish Army”
    http://counterpsyops.com/2013/02/14/...-hitlers-army/

    EXCERPT “Thousands of men of Jewish descent and hundreds of what the Nazis called ‘full Jews’ served in the German military with Adolf Hitler’s knowledge and approval.

    In approximately 20 cases, Jewish soldiers in the Nazi army were awarded(*)Germany’s highest military honor, the Knight’s Cross.

    Jews also served in the Nazi police and security forces as ghetto police(Ordnungdienst)(*)and concentration camp guards(*)(kapos).

    So what happens to the claim that Hitler sought to exterminate all Jews, when he allowed some of them to join in his struggle against Bolshevism and International finance capitalism?

    “If the Jews were permitted to serve in Hitler’s armed forces then there could not have been a Holocaust.”CONTINUED(*)

    (*) I, personally, believe that the Holocaust happened.
     
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    LOL!!!!!!!

    Too funny.

    When someone denies that millions of Jews were killed by the Nazis and their fascist allies, when they deny there were gas Chambers and death camps, they are denying the Holocaust.

    Pretty funny for someone to say they are not denying the Holocaust when they post a link to someone saying that the Holocaust could not have happened.

    LOL!!!
     
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    It's also really funny how someone can say the Holocaust didn't happen and yet in the same breath say that the Jews of Europe were a collective communist threat.

    Oh, the irony. :)
     
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    Millions of Jews throughout Europe were put into ghettos and work camps and concentration camps. None of these Jews went to trial or were convicted of any crimes.

    Men, women, children. Old and young.

    But some people believe this was all justified because the Jews of Europe were a collective communist threat.

    Its disgusting bigotry.

    And I believe that some will even respond to this post once again defending their belief that the Jews of Europe were a collective communist threat and even though none of them faced trial or a jury all deserved to be persecuted because of who they were.
     
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    NO STARVATION POLICY IN GERMAN WORK CAMPS


    The bigoted anti German myth that there was ever a policy of deliberate starvation in the German run camps is a complete falsehood.

    The emaciated men in the photo were infected by typhus and to suggest that they were deliberately starved is yet another falsehood.

    The German run camps were in their worst condition at the end of the war because the Allies destroyed civilian rail lines and the Germans were unable to care for or feed all of the inmates.
    The dismal condition of the camps was made even worst by Hollywood movie moguls(1) who imported dead bodies of German POWs and civilians to make atrocity propaganda seen in virtually all Holocaust documentaries.

    Allied propagandists and entire Hollywood movie crews were shipped over and spent 4 - 5 days prepping scenes to deceive millions with staged props and outright frauds like human skin lampshades, human fat soap, shrunken heads and other grisly artifacts.



    “Allied Forensic Autopsies Confirm Disease, Not Gas”
    https://vk.com/@eric52-allied-forensic-autopsies-confirm-disease-not-gas

    EXCERPT “Dr. Larson’s findings? In a 1980 newspaper interview he said: “What we’ve heard is that six million Jews were exterminated. Part of that is a hoax.” And what part was the hoax? Dr. Larson, who told his biographer that to his knowledge he “was the only forensic pathologist on duty in the entire European Theatre” of Allied military operations, confirmed that “never was a case of poison gas uncovered.”

    Dr. Russell Barton further testified that on entering the camp he had credited stories of deliberate starvation but decided such stories were untrue after inspecting the well equipped kitchens and the meticulously maintained ledgers, dating back to 1942, of food cooked and dispensed each day.

    Despite noisily publicised claims and widespread popular notions to the contrary, no researcher has ever been able to document a German policy of extermination through starvation in the German camps.” CONTINUED




    (1). . “The Director of the Holocau$t - Khazar Expatriate Billy Wilder”
    https://archive.org/details/TheDirectorOfTheHolocaut-KhazarExpatriateBillyWilder

    EXCERPT “Almost all the films you've ever seen of the Holocaust were staged. Using Allied propaganda as a rough script, directors from Hollywood were shipped to Germany and Poland to direct propaganda films for post-war use. One of the most notable of these was Billy Wilder, director of meny very well known films, such as "Some Like It Hot" with Marilyn Monroe." CONTINUED


    (2). "The Hollywood Directors Who Filmed the Liberation of Nazi Concentration Camps"

    https://hyperallergic.com/426644/lamoth-filming-the-camps-the-holocaust/


    EXCERPT "George Stevens, John Ford, and Samuel Fuller, best known for their work in Hollywood, all documented the Allied liberation at the end of the war.

    But during this period of war, they were acting less as artists than as functionaries of US propaganda and information efforts, working for the US Armed Forces and Secret Services.CONTINUED
     
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    I think Holocaust denial is an anti Jewish sentiment. All folks deserve equal treatment under law.
     
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    HOLOCAUST MYTH BUSTING: CHALLENGING THE MISCONCEPTIONS


    Written by Hannah Randall
    January 14, 2021

    THE HISTORY OF THE HOLOCAUST, WHICH IS A VERY COMPLEX EVENT, IS OFTEN MISUNDERSTOOD. BUT MISCONCEPTIONS ARE DANGEROUS AS THEY CAN UNDERMINE THE TRUTH BEHIND THE HOLOCAUST AND HOW IT HAPPENED, AND CAN EVEN LEAD TO HOLOCAUST DENIAL. MISCONCEPTIONS FROM A VARIETY OF SOURCES MAY INCLUDE, BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO, THE MEDIA, NOVELS AND EVEN THE EDUCATION SYSTEM. HERE WE ADDRESS SOME COMMON MISCONCEPTIONS.

    https://hcn.org.uk/blog/holocaust-myth-busting-challenging-the-misconceptions/
     
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    Archaeologists uncover buried gas chambers at Sobibor death camp

    SOBIBOR Poland (Reuters) - Archaeologists working at the site of the Nazi concentration camp at Sobibor, in eastern Poland, say they have uncovered previously-hidden gas chambers in which an estimated quarter of a million Jews were killed.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-poland-deathcamp-idUSKBN0HD24B20140918
     
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    No answers as of yet, just the usual copy/pasta revisionist hogwash that’s regurgitated over and over.

    Where did all the Jewish people transported to Auschwitz/Birkenau, Chelmno, Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinki, and Majdanek go?

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    I don't understand how rejecting profitable anti German slander is "anti Jewish sentiment". It's the German people who have been slandered and extorted for crimes they didn't commit

    To suggest that the Holocaust is somehow more profound than equal or greater tragedies simply because some victims were Jewish is the epitome of racist arrogance.

    I agree that all people deserve equal treatment so why is honest examination and open discussion of only the Holocaust prohibited in 16 democracies"?

    Thanks,
     
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    Someone has a credibility problem:



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    This three-minute video explains Holocaust denial and the different forms it takes.



    Holocaust denial and revisionism is a disgusting and vile assault on the truth and understanding of what happened to the Jews during the war. Nazi persecution started before the war. It started with legislation to deny Jews freedom and restrict their rights. Jews were not allowed to marry non-Jews, their citizen was removed, including the right to vote. They were barred from all professional occupations and Jewish children were banned from state schools. Organized attacks on Jews became regular.

    Jews were forced out to their homes and forced to live in ghettos where they were controlled, segregated, and dehumanized.

    The Einsatzgruppen followed the German army as they invaded the Soviet Union. Their job was to kill racial or political enemies by mass shootings. They massacred entire Jewish communities by marching them out of towns and systematically shooting them. By the end of 1941, more than one million Jews had been murdered by the mobile killing squads.

    Nazi’s murdered Jews via hanging, shooting, burning, euthanasia, starvation, exposure, medical experiments and in the concentration and death camps.

    Over one million children were murdered.

    Besides the Jews, Nazi’s murdered 2,400,000 Poles, 3,000,000 Ukrainians, 1,593,000 Russians, and 1,400,000 Byelorussians.

    The Nazi’s were evil murderers — gunning large groups with machine guns, shots in the head at the edge of trenches, burning people alive in churches, gassing in vans and or fake shower rooms, starving people to death, freezing people to death, working people to death, murdering via beatings and torture.

    5,291,000 Jews wiped off the face of the planet.
    258,000 Gypsies wiped off the face of the planet.
    10,547,000 Slavs wiped off the face of the planet.
    173,500 handicapped Germans wiped off the face of the planet.
    They murdered French, Dutch, Serbs, Slovenes, Czechs and others to maintain their rule throughout Europe.

    It is estimated the Nazi’s annihilated 20,946,000 human beings.

    Denying the murders, the gassings is nothing other than hateful and the revisionists manufactured BS is on par with trying to claim the earth is flat. Blatantly stupid as there is too much evidence showing exactly what happened.

    Revisionists deny and distort history. It is hateful revisionist disinformation produced by antisemites. The only way to combat this, is to keep posting the truth to show the evilness of the Nazis.

    For example:

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    I’m so glad you have finally admitted this. Now stop posting crap and answer my questions.
     
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    So you're saying you no longer deny that millions of Jews were intentionally and systematically exterminated by the Nazis and their Fascist allies????

    Great!!!
     
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    Holocaust denial is hateful and disgusting, ignorant and pathological. But it does not violate any of the rules of this forum.
     
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    Denying the Holocaust, while disgusting, ignorant, offensive and pathological, is not a slur. I have had this argument with the Mods and fought this battle and lost.

    Better to just show the Holocaust Deniers how ignorant and wrong they are.
     
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    @MuchAdo
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    Feel free to show where I have ever "Negated the murder of thousands of Jewish people.." or slandered any religious, national, racial, or ethnic group as you have slandered the German people with relentless unsupportable claims.

    Even Eisenhower's more ethical brother regarded the post war Nuremberg trials as: "...a black page in the history of the world" (1) while US Supreme Court Chief Justice Harlan Fiske Stone complained that: "

    "Chief US prosecutor Jackson is away conducting his high-grade lynching party in Nuremberg......I hate to see the pretence that he is running a court and proceeding according to common law. This is a little too sanctimonious a fraud to meet my old-fashioned ideas."


    (1). "President Eisenhower’s Brother, An Attorney, Condemned The Nuremberg & Eichmann Trials"
    http://www.renegadetribune.com/president-eisenhowers-brother-attorney-condemned-nuremberg-eichmann-trials/

    QUOTE:
    "I think the Nuremberg trials are a black page in the history of the world…I discussed the legality of these trials with some of the lawyers and some of the judges who participated therein. They did not attempt to justify their action on any legal ground, but rested their position on the fact that in their opinion, the parties convicted were guilty…"

    Edgar N. Eisenhower, American attorney: Brother of President Dwight D. Eisenhower
     
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    There is nothing "anti-German" about discussing the truth regarding the Holocaust and the gas Chambers and the death camps, the death squads and the terrible inhumane conditions in the concentration camps.

    The SS kept many of the details about how the people were being treated as a secret, so the vast majority of the German people did not know about it and therefore could not condone it. However Hitler was elected by a democratic vote and the German people knew that he was going to persecute the Jews, and the German people did see the Jews get persecuted and eventually round up and deported from Germany into concentration camps and out of the country so from that perspective the German people are collectively guilty for the persecution of the Jews and their internment. Just like how the Israeli people are collectively guilty of the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians and their continued unjust treatment in the occupied territories. It is not bigotry to discuss the truth. It is not bigotry to discuss the evil truth about Apartheid or the evil truth about segregation in the United States.
     
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    If you deny that millions of Jews were intentionally and systematically murdered by the Nazis and their fascist allies then you are denying the Holocaust. It's a simple truth. Get used to it.
     
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    That's a bit simplistic. Have you watched the videos in post #483?
    http://politicalforum.com/index.php...he-jews-part-2.610995/page-20#post-1074290299

    You should check out this site.

    http://vho.org/Intro/GB/Brochure.pdf
    (excerpt)
    --------------------------------
    First of all, because of false representations by the media, it
    is necessary that we first clarify what Holocaust Revisionism
    does not maintain:
    – it does not deny that Jews were persecuted under the Third
    Reich;
    – it does not deny that Jews were deprived of civil rights;
    – it does not deny that Jews were deported;
    – it does not deny the existence of Jewish ghettos;
    – it does not deny the existence of concentration camps;
    – it does not deny the existence of crematoriums in concentration camps;
    – it does not deny that Jews died for a great number of
    reasons;
    – it does not deny that other minorities were also persecuted,
    such as gypsies, Jehovah’s Witnesses, homosexuals, and
    political dissenters;
    – and finally, it does not deny that all the above mentioned
    things were unjust.

    None of these crimes of the National Socialist regime are
    doubted by Holocaust revisionists. In the view of the Revisionists, however, all these injustices have nothing to do with the
    Holocaust, which is defined as planned and organized mass
    murder, carried out specifically in homicidal gas chambers (see
    Question 4).
    Holocaust revisionists believes the following to be correct:5
    1. There was no National Socialist order for the physical extermination of Jews;6
    2. Likewise, there was no National Socialist plan for physical extermination of Jews;
    3. There was no German organization and no budget for carrying out the alleged extermination plan. Consider the
    statement by the world-renowned Holocaust researcher
    Prof. Raul Hilberg:7
    »But what began in 1941 was a process of destruction
    not planned in advance, not organized centrally by any
    agency. There was no blueprint and there was no budget
    for destructive measures [of the Juden]. They [the measures]were taken step by step. Thus came about not so much
    a plan being carried out but an incredible meeting of
    minds, a consensus mind-reading by a far-flung [German] bureaucracy.«;
    4. In detailed investigations of former German concentration
    camps, expert researchers have established: The internment camps had no sophisticated methods for mass murder, in particular no homicidal gas chambers.8
    Furthermore, the reports of mass shootings behind the GermanRussian front were greatly exaggerated and taken out of
    context;9
    5. There were neither adequate industrial facilities nor sufficient fuel to cremate such a huge number of corpses. In
    fact, the capacity of the crematories was barely sufficient
    to cremate the bodies of those who died from starvation
    and epidemics.10
    6. There is no documentation for the existence of homicidal
    gas chambers,11 and no material traces of alleged mass
    murders.12 All ‘proof’ relies on eyewitness accounts only,
    whose unreliability is widely acknowledged.13
    7. Despite massive observation by spies and resistance
    groups in areas in the near vicinity of the German concentration camps, all of Germany’s wartime enemies conducted themselves as if no exterminations of Jews were
    taking place. The charges of genocide were not raised until after Germany’s defeat, when there was no German
    government to dispute them.14
    8. Statistical investigations of living Jews worldwide show
    clearly that the losses of this ethnic group during the Second World War were nowhere near six million. The exact
    number is probably well under half a million.15
     
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