Hitler's hatred of the Jews (part 2)

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  1. Ronstar

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    Just cuz what Germany did to their Jews was "legal" doesn't mean it was moral and just.

    Germany's persecution of their Jews and the Jews of Europe was evil, hateful and bigoted. There is no doubt. Just read Hitler's hateful words in Mein Kampf.
     
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    Sorry again it seems you did not read the Haavara trust that Hitler drew up to transfer all Jewish goods to whereever they wanted to go outside of Germany AND HE HONORED IT, and personally I think it was incredibly fair when taking into consideration the JEWS DESTROYED GERMANY FIRST, so claims of hatred and evil frankly make no sense what so ever.

    It was a reaction to what the Jewish political establishment did to Germany.

    What the Jews did to German was terribly immoral and in the immortal words of Stallone they drew first blood!

    The claim its hatred and immoral is like saying if someone hatefully punches you in the face and breaks your nose its immoral to defend yourself.

    Utter nonsense.

    The blacks I agree with, that was indeed immoral and same with the Japs, but to a different extent, because there were other ways to deal with it.
     
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    Reminds me of the evil hatred written in Mein Kampf. Seems you're also justifying the Nazis persecution and extermination of the Jews. :(
     
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    It wasnt because of their race, its because of their politics.
    Yes I know the word race was used, but that was the language back then, today we know it was purely political and we know different races have different cultures and you want to make a case that was not political because the word race was used back then which is nonsense, but I am sure you will continue to mischaracterize every thing I say regardless that I told you it was political?
     
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    So every Jew that had their citizenship stripped away, their property taken, their job taken, and sent off to a camp was first put on trial and convicted of crimes?

    Thought not. They were persecuted just because of their ethnicity. Not because of anything they actually did.
     
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    It wasn't about politics. It was about race. They took it away from the entire race, regardless of politics. Read.
     
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    Like the Jews did not hate the Germans? How many times do people have to tell you that the Jews hated the Germans?

    Eisenhower, a Jew, wrote to his wife telling her: "God I hate Germans"

    Your whole theory falls apart.

    1. https://rense.com › general46 › germ.htm
      Eisenhower's Holocaust - His Slaughter Of 1.7 Million Germans - rense.com
      6-22-8 "God, I hate the Germans..." (Dwight David Eisenhower in a letter to his wife in September, 1944) First, I want you to picture something in your mind. You are a German soldier who survived through the battles of World II.


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    https://archive.org › details › GermanyMustPerish1941

    https://www.ostarapublications.com › product › germany-must-perish

    Germany Must Perish! - Ostara Publications

    This March 1941 book—written by a New Jersey Jewish-German émigré—caused a storm in Germany and America with its open advocacy of the physical extermination of all Germans and Germany itself.

    This was to be achieved through a process of mass sterilization, and the physical dismemberment of that country.





    https://archive.org › download › nota_20210213_202102 › Documentación › El_Genocidio_de_la_Alemania_NS › documentacion › The Morgenthau Plan and Kaufman's 'Germany Must Perish!'_ A Comparison (Part I).pdf
    The Morgenthau Plan and Kaufman's 'Germany Must Perish!': A Comparison ...
    exterminate Germans that was advocated by Theodor Nathan Kaufman's 1941 book 'Germany Must Perish!'


    www.renegadetribune.com › germany-must-perish-the-jewish-extermination-plan
    Germany Must Perish - The Jewish Extermination Plan - Renegade Tribune
    Apr 9, 2022Background: Theodore N. Kaufman published a 100-page book titled Germany Must Perish! in March, 1941. It called for the sterilization of the German population and the dismemberment of Germany, with its land being turned over to neighboring states.


    Always those inconvenient truths that somehow get pushed aside by religions making false accusations.
     
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    Oh so now you want me to cite the BRUTALLY run Jewish run concentration camps in Russia where millions perished due to starvation and maltreatment? Doesnt get more hateful than that!
     
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    Please read. These events that you are complaining about happened AFTER Nazis removed citizenship from Jews (something that, by your own admission, you didn't even know about until this week) and after the Nazi race laws.
     
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    You previously argued that it can't be hateful if it was legal within the country. Make up your ****ing mind.
     
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    Its not hatred to exterminate the Germans by completely wiping out their means of survival with the treaty of Versailles?
    Jews can do whatever they want and you do not consider it hatred huh?
    Sure you want to stick to that?
     
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    Please pay attention!

    Versailles happened before the Nazis took power and in fact was the cause of the Nazis taking power.

    One good hatefest begets another.
     
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    No. I'm pointing out your hypocrisy. You said it wasn't hatred when the Germans did it because it was legal there. I don't agree with your standard. And you've proven you have an inconsistent standard that even you can't figure out if you agree with or not.
     
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    That's a dumb standard. Why does Versailles justify removing people's citizenship based on race?
     
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    What Germany's National Socialist Party platform included has nothing to do with Hitler's alleged hatred of Jews.

    @Kokomjojo has already posted irrefutable proof debunking much of the hysterical demonization of Hitler and I'm adding a few more sources that refute Hitler's alleged enmity toward the Jewish people.

    In addition to high ranking Nazi party officials who were Jewish and Jewish generals in Germany's WW 2 military, Rosa Nienau, Hitler's doctor, his chauffeur and several other Jewish individuals, Hitler had at least 5 Jewish friends in Vienna(1) and even conferred honors on Jewish WW 1 Veterans some of whom were in Palestine.(2)

    That's not a very convincing "Jew hater".

    Hitler's overt hostility was directed at Communism and in its earlier years, 80% of the Communist Party was Jewish.
    Like most Europeans, Hitler knew the cruel and tragic fate of Communist Russia and feared that the same thing would happen in Germany.
    It is at least my opinion based on the facts at hand that Hitler's hostility was directed at Communist Jews, not at non Communist Jews many of whom were Hitler's friends.

    In the case of little Rosa Nienau, Hitler complained that it was NS Party pressure that kept him from continuing to write to Nienau so he may have opposed removing citizenship from the Jews. I don't know but it would be interested to find out.

    It is regrettable that so few people can discuss this general topic calmly, maturely and intelligently because Hollywood and the Holocaust Industry - Lobby have been deceiving people since the war(4) starting with fake human skin lampshades, phony shrunken heads, fake human skin pocketbooks and even a mythical "vaporizer" that could
    instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews (5).

    Those are just a few examples of frauds used to deceive billions and murder countless German POWs but that's a different topic.

    Thanks,


    (1) “5 Jews Hitler Actually Liked”
    https://historyofyesterday.com/5-jews-hitler-actually-liked-c702217e1aa5

    EXCERPT “Surprisingly, during this time in his life, Hitler also had extremely good relationships with Jewish people. At his house in Vienna, almost all of his friends were Jewish, with Josef Neumann being the closest.

    And when Hitler took over Germany, he spared some of his old Jewish friends, kept some in his party, and even formed new friendships.” CONTINUED


    (2) “When Hitler Honored Jewish Soldiers”
    https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/.premium-when-hitler-honored-jewish-soldiers-1.5254336

    EXCERPT “The Nazi regime conferred honors on many of the 100,000 Jews who fought in the German army in the Great War, even on some who had already escaped to Palestine.” CONTINUED


    (3) “Putin: First Soviet government was mostly Jewish”
    https://www.jpost.com/jewish-world/...st-soviet-government-was-mostly-jewish-317150

    EXCERPT “Russian President Vladimir Putin said that at least 80 percent of the members of the first Soviet government were Jewish.” CONTINUED


    (4). “The Director of the Holocau$t - Khazar Expatriate Billy Wilder”
    https://archive.org/details/TheDirectorOfTheHolocaut-KhazarExpatriateBillyWilder

    EXCERPT “Almost all the films you've ever seen of the Holocaust were staged. Using Allied propaganda as a rough script, directors from Hollywood were shipped to Germany and Poland to direct propaganda films for post-war use. One of the most notable of these was Billy Wilder, director of meny very well known films, such as "Some Like It Hot" with Marilyn Monroe." CONTINUED


    (5). "Auschwitz: Myths and Facts"
    http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/auschwitz.shtml

    EXCERPT "At the Nuremberg Tribunal, chief US prosecutor Robert Jackson charged that the Germans had used a "newly invented" device to instantaneously "vaporize" 20,000 Jews near Auschwitz "in such a way that there was no trace left of them." [8] No reputable historian now accepts either of these fanciful tales."CONTINUED
     
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    It was survival, same way the USA.
    You have proven that your camp simply plugs their ears to the facts surrounding the events na na na...
    Your camp promotes Jewish hatred while condemning everyone else.
    There are no inconsistencies in my position.
     
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    Did the party that Hitler lead remove citizenship for Jews based on their race or not? Yes or no? Their platform and actions say they did.
     
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    PLease pay attention, POLITICAL CULTURE NOT RACE
     
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    They could only survive by removing citizenship from all Jews? Explain. I'd like to note that the country DID survive, even with Jews there. Despite their best efforts. The only inconsistencies are on your side of the table. I don't support any ethnostate nonsense. You, however, do.
     
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    Anyone trying to exercise the same CULTURE which made them POLITCAL ENEMIES OF THE STATE had the same deal the Jews did.
     
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    Please pay attention. The platform is about bloodline. Not "political culture." And you've admitted you had never even read the platform of the party you are defending until this week, if you've even managed to finally read it now. I'm being generous.
     
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    The platform specified bloodline. Not "culture." I taught you this week that the party you are defending had an actual platform and you promised you would read it for the first time in your life. Why have you still failed to do that, even after I quoted it for you in English and German (which you have claimed you can read)?
     
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    Germany fourished for a few years under Hitler when the Jews were removed from political postisions.
    Matter of record not opinion.
    Your whole premise is designed to convince people by tear jerking while ignoring the facts.
    Pound your drum and scream all you want, it was about political culture not hatred.
     
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    there was a mind numbingly obvious direct inseperable connection between the Jewish race and their political culture in Germany.
    Nice try. Rules out hate, and supports political self protection. Another fail.

    Hitler took the same political measures with any and every other culture that had the same political views, regardless of race, its all a matter of record you people seem to want to conveniently omit.

    Millions of Jews living in America, England, France, North and South Africa and Palestine, are determined to bring the war of annihilation against Germany to its final end.” The Jewish newspaper, Central Blad Voor Israeliten in Nederland, September, 13, 1939.

    thats not Jewish hatred?

    Is this thread about love thy Jewish neighbor even though he hates and tried to destroy you?
     
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    So you're saying the Jews deserved the Holocaust? Even those Jews innocent of any crimes against Germany? Even Jewish children?
     
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