How many gods are there?

True, so why tell Miss J to reconsider doing good deeds if she is doing so under the assumption that God does exist ?

 

We are christian and do not subscribe to Judaism or what the Jewish people think is truth. Only someone that lacks even basic knowledge of how the christian and Jewish religions began would make the claims above. What I was saying is that the Sumerians worship the same God as we do, however we have a much clearer and detailed knowledge of God than the early people. This would of course include the Jewish people, not the biblical people like Moses and Noah, but rather the people worshiped the concepts set forth in the Jewish bible etc.

I know why most haters bash religion, its the same reasons haters bash the USA! Weird but true. They bash us because we are successful. We have conquered the entire world for all intensive purposes and the atheists have? Nothing really, one can almost feel the pain. They are exceedingly envious jealous, but most of all FEARFUL of the organized powerful religions. It could not be more evident that that is a true statement. I can understand their pain, envy and jealously, but as far as Christianity I can not understand the fear. I wish the best for all the haters, however if history is a guide they will go to the grave with that hate.

Ra'h

 

Are you an atheist? Did you know megadeath does not beleive in God but claims to be a Christian? Hey I might be an atheist because I DO beleive in God!

Ra'h

 

God does indeed exist - in the imaginations of human beings, just like Yoda does exist in our imginations.

But in reality neither god nor Yoda exists.

I understand what Megadeath is saying when he says he trys to follow the teachings of jesus but does not believe there is a god. If someone wants to take the bible and learn lessons from it - more power to you. There are good lessons in there, just as with any literature. But the problem is when you start believing the fairy-tales are real. When you do, you lose the ability to think for yourself and you become a sheep.

Here is a good example: I don't know of any christian that can debate abortion w/o bringing god into the argument, and they all spew the same bull**** about abortion – just like the good little sheep they have become.

 

I haven't explored this on this forum. Tell me Mr. Rstones, what do they say, that abortion is evil because you are killing a life, or that God says not to kill ?

Just asking because I don't think that anyone needs to bring God into that debate.

 

I agree. I don't think that anyone needs to bring God into anything at all but, blimey!, some always do.

 

There are as many gods as people can imagine.

 

So do I. Good single malt Scotch whiskey.

 

Yes, of course I am atheist. Not believing in God is not atheism. Knowing there is no God is atheism. Do you follow the difference? It's knowledge, not belief.

No, if you believe in God you are not an atheist because you haven't ruled him out yet.

Was your post meant to be clever, or smart? All it reveals is your ignorance I'm afraid. Sorry, but honesty is best.

 

Heh, I can't figure out if this is technically right or wrong.

I mean, if people can only imagine one god then, technically, you're saying that there is only one god. This is clearly wrong as there are thousands of gods. Heck, even the people who can only imagine one god don't all imagine the same god, which means that there are thousands of gods even by the standards of people who can only imagine one

 

It is impossible to believe in any deity and be an atheist, by definition. In order to show how my beliefs are wrong you have to show how it is impossible to be a Christian and also an atheist. YOU HAVE YET TO DO SO. You have asserted that because the Bible says Jesus was god, that's it. But that is a stupid argument since there is plenty more in the bible I dont follow and plenty that YOU dont follow either. Case in point the order to execute homosexuals. It is clear and ardent in the bible, yet when I asked you about it you said something along the lines of 'oh well its interpretive' blah blah. So essentially you're a hypocrite. You take or dont take the Bible's many messages as you see fit. You have no consistency. I dont think you're a ignorant for this, since I do the same thing. Rather you are a hypocrite for spouting hellfire threats for an act you carry yourself. If I'm going to hell, you'll be right beside me.

 

If everyone thought there was only one god, there would only be one god known to everyone.
If everyone thought there were multiple gods, there would be multiple gods known to everyone.
If different people thought there were different gods, there would be different gods known to different people. (i.e. "There is only one true god.")

Since gods are characters limited only by ones imagination, it's all relatively true.

 

I said that humans do not speak for God. If you believe in the trinity .. Jesus "was"/"is" God

The Pope and Imam's however have no such providence.

Let us presume that Jesus is God .. now we are left with the truly vexing question of what Christ actually said, what he did, and did not do ?

 

Then who created God?

No it isn't reasonable or rational at all.

 

I don't think Jesus was the almighty God that he prayed too but I think he was insightful enough to speak on it.

 

The real question is when time began. Time is but a byproduct of the material universe, so it started when God created the material universe.

For all you nonbelievers out there we will just refer to time starting some 15 billion years ago with a bang!!

 

Ok so what created God?

So, can you answer my question or not?

 

I would argue that what ever God Jesus prayed to .. it was a different God than the God of Abraham because the teachings of Jesus were much different.

 

Indeed. However I would go one better and say he didn't pray to a God at all.

 

You could argue that but it would be worthless speculation. (no offense) You would have to presume that people were ready to hear "turn the other cheek" at that time,and that it would have worked better as a law than killing the Mennonites for corrupting the worshipers of Yahweh.. We can't call it with our brainwashed minds, we are too used to our own time era to fathom such laws as they might have applied back then.

You also have to be open to the possibility of a bigger picture than the only one you can see now while comparing and looking back at the past. You would have to prove that your new civilized ways are better for the human race than the way that existed back then. You cannot do that ..


Either that or Jesus just had a better Idea than Moses..

 

I agree that the laws and teachings are different and we can not prove the validity of either entity.

 

All Gods are one God. One God created the universe, so others need not apply~

Ra'h

 

Wrong, and wrong.

 

How did you come to that conclusion with nothing more than word of mouth folk tales to even suggest that as a possibility?

 

[ame="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3048879793791495094"]Atheist Experience #483: Old Testament Gods[/ame]

I just watched this today. I know people get indignant about watching videos, but it was relevant so here it is, a show talking about multiple gods being mentioned in the old testament.