How many gods are there?

There isn't. You cna believe nything you want. But do not expect others to take your word for it.

Besides, why is this thread still going? I thought I proved beyond any sensible doubt that there are exactly 19 gods.

 

Gods, ie. supernatural beings do NOT exist, there is no evidence for them. And I am quite good at understanding words, and even better at using a dictionary.

 

Please expand? That means nothing really...

The KCA has already stood up to a thousand years of scrutiny. Its never ever been shown to be wrong yet. Yes there have been challenges, but no victiorys. The archology for bibical truths speaks for itself however again your answer is so vauge and unspecific that its meanlingess.

You have offered nothing at all. Not one valid rebuttal, no type of evdience to support your claims. Nothing, nil, nought, zero, zilch, zip…etc > infinity. I wish all debates were so easy to win!

reva

 

Yes add to that in one form of atheism they claim that they are immune to having to defend their beliefs because its a psychological condition rather than a 'view' or belief. So in a way we theists should be able to claim that since God is not knowable to science i.e. he is outside natural law, we should not be held to the same standards that science uses to validate items of the temporal universe. BTW I am completing a thread on the disingenuous nature of strong atheism. Titled 'True lies of new Atheism'.

reva

 

He who makes the claim gives the evidence.

You claim their is a god. You need to show evidence.

I never claimed there wasn't a god. I just deny your claim that there is.

My idea about god is nothing more than a response to your assertion.

 

"Anything that has a beginning has a cause..."

Right there, the first sentence needs boat loads of evidence.

Where is the evidence that the universe "began to exist"? What makes you think the universe is not eternal?

If the universe can't be eternal, then why can god be eternal? Where is your evidence for that? If your evidence is older than you, where is the historical study of your evidence?

So easy. Like fish in a barrel.

 

Heh, I see RevAnarchist is on a proselytization campaign at the moment. I just said the exact same thing in another thread. Though you said it more precise with much less words.

 

What in the world is the KCA, when I looked it up online, all I got was KIDS CHOICE AWARDS?????

 

Kalam's Cosmological Argument. Basically everything needed some sort of cause to come into existence. There has to be a first cause that set everything into motion.

The kid's choice awards has nothing to do with his.

 

You aren't as far off as some might think

 

That is NOT what the KCA says.

It says everything needs a cause to come into existence with the exception of god. The theory still doesn't make god play by the rules. That is why it won't hold water.

There is no explanation as to why the universe has to have a beginning and an end, but god doesn't.

More religious babble that has no basis in reality. The only people calling this science don't understand what science is.

 

Oh, so KCA is just one more meaningless bit of drivel from some one with too vivid an imagination and too little real work to do.

 

Like I said in an earlier post, KCA is just meaningless drivel.

 

Another obvious problem with the KCA is that there are exactly zero known examples of anything "coming into existence".

 

Why must God play by the rules if he is the one that made them?

Or there is an explanation, but we are not aware of it yet.

Religious babble? I wouldn't be so harsh. Aristotle was not that religious. Deists are not religious. I agree though. It's not science, but philosophy.

 

If anything ever "came into existence" then it would of had to of happened before the big bang. Which sounds to me like a contradiction since this is supposed to be when time began. Why is there something rather than nothing?

 

As far as I understand it, the singularity contained matter 'before' the big bang. Space and matter did not necessarily come into existence with the big bang, they just expanded.

 

This where the KCA shines. Lets say time began at instant of the Big Bang. The universe began to exist. The premise of the KCA states that everything that begins to exist has a cause to begin to exist. Use deductive logic. If something caused the big bang to bang that 'cause' has to be atemporal or exist outside of time. However according to the premise it must have existed because the big bang wouldn’t have a reason to begin without the 'cause'.

Now tell me what could be atemporal (or eternal) and cause a universe to begin to exist, ie create a universe? Not just any old universe but one that goes against nearly infinite odds that say the early universe should be smooth and white hot, but instead it produced clumps and irregularities. Those clumps and irregularities should not be there, the BB should be a mass of smooth 'hot' energy. Oh btw those 'clumps and irregularities' are stars galaxies etc! Without them life as we know it would not exist. So we have a eternal thing that creates life giving universe despite all odds that say the universe should be smooth white hot energy. I call that cause ‘GID’ or God the intelligent designer for a Varity of reasons some not listed here. Nothing in science is eternal, it was Penrose who calculated the odds against such a universe as ours forming.

So its very rational to assume that God is the identity of the ‘cause’.

RevA

 

There is but one God...

... the God of Abraham...

... Isaac...

... and Jacob.

 

Agreed !

RevA

 

Why do you assume that the universe began to exist?

 

I don't know, because the Big Bang points to a pretty definitive beginning?

Why would you assume otherwise?

 

So you believe in the big bang theory?

 

Seriously?

The previous two dozen times I have talked about this with you, and you are still shocked by the reality that 'I' as Christian think the Big Bang is accurate?

You have a lot to learn about Christianity.