Here's my post again incase you misunderstood it - How many invading armies have you encountered, and more importantly, how many are you expecting to meet? Realistically, do American gun owners believe America could get an invading army? I only ask because the days of muskets are long gone, technology has moved on. Do you think armament has moved on but the people haven't? So there's four quick questions there. To debate, the participants usually answer the questions before expecting the other participants to reply to theirs. So someone could answer, "Zero, zero, yes, yes"
i was not raised in the gun culture, have managed just using my wits to stay away from dangerous situations, never felt i needed one, only the police have pointed guns at me, three times for having Rx pain pills in my possession, been sober for 25 yrs so police have left me alone
Russians didn't give up their arms either. They used them to wage civil war which resulted in about 3 million casualties. Well, the civil was was not fought with civilian owned guns, but between armed factions (the "whites" vs "reds")
I got to shoot a Rhino at the range a couple years ago. It performs as advertised; color me impressed.
The Top 10 Reasons a Gun is better than a woman.... #10. You can trade an old .44 for a new 22 #9. You can keep one gun at home and have another for when you're on the road. #8. If you tell a friend you like his gun, he'll let you try it out. #7. Your primary gun doesn't mind if you keep another one for a backup. #6. Your gun will stay with you even if you run out of ammo. #5. A gun doesn't take up a lot of closet space. #4. A gun functions normally every day of the month. #3. A gun doesn't ask, 'Does this new scope make me look fat?' #2. A gun doesn't mind if you go to sleep right after you use it. #1. You can buy a silencer for a gun.
I just finished reading an article about a store owner who was being beaten and robbed, he managed to dial 911 and the police showed up 15 HOURS later. The 2nd Amendment is not just about Militias and invading armies, it's also about the right of an American citizen to use firearms "...in common use" to defend himself and others from violent, predatory criminals. Those who have never been confronted by multiple, armed criminals can never know the indispensable value of an adequate firearm until it is the only thing to keep you from being beaten, robbed and / or killed. It's not an experience that you easily forget or can effectively communicate to others in the calm of the moment. Thanks,
I usually don't shoot people who are "Republican In Name Only" (aka Rhino) but I did wing Democrat once... ....just kidding. I'm familiar with the Rhino revolver. Is the recoil lees than comparable .357s? Thanks,
Significantly less, it's pretty amazing. Not a gun you'd like to spend all day at the range with, that energy has to go somewhere - directly back into your hand & forearm. But muzzle flip is drastically reduced, & target reacquisition comparably improved.
I was replying to why an invading army could have problems. could we get one-perhaps. The future is unwritten-know your rights
I recently bought my first revolver. It's a Kimber K6s in .357. It's more accurate than I figured a snub nose would be and it holds 6 rounds.
If you stop asking questions of strawmen, you might get an answer. When did you stop beating your wife? I don't expect you to directly answer this either because it strawman's you.
One reason the pro gunners mention is that the population need to be armed against an invasion. If we're stuck in past, I agree, but in reality, who is going to invade America where the population need to shoot them? Plus, the minority own guns, some thirty odd percent. Plus, are they all physically fit to fight. To claim self defence by population is a fallacy.
how so-and a guy in a wheel chair from a position of concealment and a good rifle cause an invading force some real problems
The argument was presented, the American population having guns to fight off invaders, so no strawman argument whatsoever. So I'm simply asking - 1 - How many invading armies have you experienced? 2 - How many invading armies are you expecting to meet? 3 - Do Americans a tally believe they could get invaded by an army? 4 - Has armament technology moved on but not the population? This means, are gun owners still basing their argument on what happened 200+ years ago as opposed to live in the here and now. ....in response to the presented argument. Maybe you're confused on what the Strawman fallacy is?
I've read similar impressions from others who have fired the Rhino which, as you observed, is not an all day plinker. The closest thing I've got to a Rhino is a .44 Special Charter Arms Bulldog which is no target handgun but accurate enough for what it is. Thanks,
Please name one other weapon, skill or item that can be used to deter multiple attackers who are armed. That's probably one of the best things about firearms. The mere sight of one is enough to deter most potential predators so no fighting is necessary. Thanks,
That argument was not presented. A different argument was presented by Joe Knows who said that without a firearm one can’t even be troublesome to an invading army. You twisted this statement and changed it into the sole reason for the second amendment. Instead of continuing a conversation you’ve rudely demanded exact answers to your questions. I’ll go ahead and answer your questions and perhaps you can discuss this in a more courteous manner in the future. One I hope to meet no more in my lifetime. However, invading armies tend not to announce their intentions ahead of time. Yes. As the British, Japanese, Mexicans, and Canadiens have previously done. The public supports the massive military budget because they know how people in other countries are and want to be protected from invasion. I don’t speak for all gun owners. My gun purchases are based on what is happening now - not two hundred years ago. The first ten amendments to the U.S. Constitution were created to oppose the power of the federal government. The Second Amendment reserved the rights of the States and People to own and bear arms. Arms by-the-way are weapons one can carry and use in one’s arms. These restrictions were extended to the States in the 14th amendment. The Second Amendments enshrine two main ideas. First, the idea that the People have a right - not a privilege or requirement - to defend themselves. This includes everything. Second, the basis of the U.S. is that the People have the right to use arms to check and overthrow their government.
Ask, and ye shall receive. We're just going to have to accept that the other side will always be ahead of us on this score: No need to thank me, it's all part of the service. I've posted this before, apologies for the redundancy. When I was an infant, we took a day trip to the mountains and stopped at one of my parents' favorite spots. During out stay a couple bikers rolled in. Dad could tell they were trouble and loaded wife & kid into the car. During the load up, one of the bikers shouted at dad to "Hand over summa that slant-eyed pu$$y!" Loudmouth wheeled his ride about 4 feet off the back bumper & dismounted. He walked to the driver's side window and leaned in to find himself looking down the barrel of a .357. He & his compadre saddled up & rode off. 25 years later I owned a 1965 Plymouth Barracuda. One day I towed it to a building where I was going to work on it. As I pulled onto the property there were a couple guys about my age sharing a crack pipe. I rolled down the window and said "Hate to tell you guys, but this is private property and you'll need to clear off." They snarled and cursed, one of them picked up a piece of rebar & both advanced. I let them see my pistol and told them to simmer down. Both men split. In both instances, no shots fired & nobody hurt. According to the FBI, that is the result in more than 95% of civilian defensive gun usages. I've asked this question maybe half a dozen times on this board; not a single anti-gunner has been able to answer yes or no. Let's see if @Nonnie can buck the trend: Would you prefer that me & my dad had been unarmed on those occasions?
Offhand. Savage 110 30.06 Windham AR Ruger 10-22 Remington 1100 Remington 870 Super Mag Glock 21 Remington 700 .308 Remington Versa Max SKS Ruger MKIII Old JC Whitney .22 revolver Old Sears .22 bolt action rifle Kimber Stainless II 1911 Marlin 336, my personal favorite.
Your first handgun, or first revolver? I was actively looking for a K6S when a great deal on a GP100 fell into my lap.
