How to best deal with North Korea

Meaning you oppose a peaceful solution of the problem if it denies kim his nuclear weapons that he can use to threaten America with

Your obvious hatred for my country is on full display

 

Yes, this is the 21st century - nonproliferation is just a remnant of irrational late 20th century foreign policy "expertise".

 

I understand that canadians think they know everything about everything but you can't possibly know what the japanese people want

They may be better informed than you are about the threat posed by kim

 

I tend to think like that myself. Maybe by the time everybody - even Canada - has nukes, there will be no more wars but the last one. It's kind of re-assuring, in some twisted way.

I sure wasn't thinking like that in the midst of the 80s, thought.

 

I'd suggest you get informed yourself.

 

You will be fine. Vancouver will be like Kiev, and Canadians will be better off with a few extra fingers and toes.

 

I think domestically, your country does have greatness. I don't like all aspects of it, but as a Canadian, I can certainly envy some.

It's on the international scene that you are a shame.

 

Mutual assured destruction worked when it was just the US and the USSR facing each other

Because stalin was evil but he was not insane

But men like kim or the crazy mullahs in tehran are not rational people

 

That would be a likely result - the ideal scenario for the US.
Especially if the one that gets through lands in Georgetown.

 

I do not claim to speak for the japanese people

I'll leave that to you

 

Yes, we are not very good at the international thingy.
Probably why George Washington warned us to avoid it.

 

No, it didn't work - not well, in any case, because there were still wars by proxies. In the alternate scenario, all proxies have the nukes.

Rationality first rests on knowing the other party's rationale. You don't do that, you are dropping an important step. Like, the very foundation.

 

Being rid of so many liberals in Georgetown or San Francisco is tempting

Especially if we throw in vancouver as a bonus

But even liberals and canadians have a right to live and I would not want to see them die needlessly

Lets try to find a peaceful solution first

 

Nuclear war like sh*t will happen.

 

Sure

 

Luke, I knew I could tempt you to embrace the Dark Side.

 

Lazy people...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_bombings_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_Daiichi_nuclear_disaster

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-nuclear_power_movement_in_Japan

https://www.google.com/search?sourc...0i22i30l3.0.0.1.19704...........0.b19hgjZBisU

(The last one was me being lazy myself)

 

Mutually assured destruction has worked well for USA and USSR also for India and Pakistan. India, Pakistan and China. China and USSR.
Who it hasn't worked well for is Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan. Because they don't have it.

 

Stalin and kim are both easily understood

Uncle Joe care about the continuation of soviet russia and was not willing to wage nuclear war if it could be avoided

And since the US also did not want a nuclear war we both survived

Kim does not care about the korean people and will risk war to achieve his grandfathers dream of a unified communist Korea

And he would rather die and take everyone with him rather than give up that dream

 

I did not

My policy is to avoid war if possible

 

First nuclear weapons are a different topic than nuclear power plants

But if every japanese is against nuclear power plants why do need to protest?

Obviously opinion is divided

 

Because the strength of disagreement is a factor in it.

I disagree with any number of government policies for my nation.
But there are very few of these I actually give two shits about.

People may disagree with me about my picking my nose in public.
The world in it's entirety may disagree with my behaving in this way.
But it's a trivial issue where the will of the majority has no business involving itself. Ultimately, the numbers of your disagreement is overruled by the strength of my itch.



Once enough people are pissed off with you, it's over.
Not all of them are required, not even a majority, only enough.

So a jap maybe against nuclear power, but in favour of nuclear power until a replacement power source is built. And so on.
Depth of feeling, is a factor in things. Not just the numbers of people who "agree or disagree" but the strength of those convictions.

In Ireland a minority of Irish wished for independence from Great Britain.
They were willing to kill for this goal, and the majority who wanted to remain British, did not want it that badly that they were willing to kill or die for it.
So minority rule is in fact the norm in our societies. Conviction over rules numbers.

 

Your logic works both ways

I think opinion in japan on nuclear weapons is divided

 

And Libya, who within a few years of agreeing to give up its nuclear weapons program, were attacked by the west.

 

I can't speak for the Japanese and for every Japanese person, I do however follow the debate there and working for Japanese company for the last 25 years has given me opportunity to discuss such things with a large number of Japanese.
My Mrs is a Jap.

Japan isn't known for it's social divisions.
No society on earth is less divided than theirs.

I have never once in my entire life of almost 50 years heard a Japanese person advocate for nuclear weapons in any way whatsoever. Nor have I ever heard of one doing so.
I once had the misfortune of being stuck with 30 Japanese for 4 hours at "The history of the nuclear bomb" museum.
I cannot begin to explain to you exactly how poorly that went down.

This is projection mate. You haven't spoken to a single Jap on this subject.
You haven't read their press.

I say this with absolute confidence.
Had you have done so you would know better.
And intellectually you must recognise that a society that has benefitted most from nuclear weapons is going to hold a fundamentally different relationship with them than a society that was almost eradicated by them.

You could not be more wrong if you tried. You really couldn't.
You come from a different world. Your thinking is quite alien to them.