How to best deal with North Korea

Where did you get your information from? Where was this ship captured and why would Iran need ballistic missiles from NK when they have had their own for decades.

 

How does any of this back up:
Your evidence for all this is because your government told you this? Perhaps you can explain how they trade missile and nuclear secrets with the Iranians? What terrorism has NK sponsored

 

Sending missile parts and technology to Iran who exports terror is not acceptable. It just builds a case against the regime. Who is going to stop NK or even Iran from supplying nuclear options to jihadis?

Please, provide links where the US or its allies have shelled fishing villages or torpedoed ships without probable cause and provocation.

 

Perhaps you could explain what 'jihadis' are first, then explain why Iran would supply nuclear 'options' to them?

 

The short term in economics is a time period measured in months to a few years. Do you think most Americans who buy things from say Wal-Mart and Target (not to mention the millions of people employed by those companies) can survive the massive increase in prices a total blockade of supply of all good produced in China would bring?

 

I was referring to NK doing that not the US. But the US has plenty of examples of violent behaviour also and must be respected as highly dangerous too.
I don't suppose NK considers their attacks as unprovoked any more than anyone else who makes attacks does.
But why they do it, isn't relevant. Only that they do.

 

http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-new...th-korea-and-iran-weapons-of-mass-destruction

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/4/north-korea-possibly-supplying-missile-technology-/

That's just two. Obviously there are problems for lay persons to have access to high level intelligence and know more. But you are just being at best naive and at worst just ridiculous. There is overt evidence of cooperation between the two as in NK being caught shipping missiles and parts to Iran. Iran using parts NK has is another bit of overt evidence. NK has sold weapons technology as a means of staying afloat and continuing their desire for WMD.

NK has declared its intent to obtain viable missile technology in order to deliver nukes against our allies and indeed the US. They are a clear and present danger to the US.

Make the threat to give nukes to Japan and make them a nuclear power. Put our nukes back in SK (gone since 91) and point it at the heart of NK. That gets the immediate attention of China and maybe they will do something then.

Until then the only other option is a first strike and beheading the snake.

 

Yes, they could.
Shopping habits would change.

 

It'll be hard on both countries. You act as if this is one sided. I have family in China. They will sell to themselves but the costs of goods in China is higher than here. It will take time to adjust. Like the same time frame or more than us. Their economy is a mess right now. This will hurt China much more than us. We can buy from others like Brazil, India, Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand, and SK. They aren't going to do anything. IMO.

 

Most Americans already have expenses greater than their income and you seriously think driving those expenses up even higher wouldn't result in disaster?

 

And how many millions of people will find themselves bankrupt and on the street in that time?

 

Both of your links just pose the question. That was a waste of my time reading them. So no evidence then ! You still haven't said what terrorism NK has sponsored

 

If you don't know what I'm talking about then stop asking me and look it up. But you're just trolling. Buh bye.

 

Not at all. I simply think their shopping habits would change. That they would find alternatives. Second hand clothes stores. Home knitted jumpers etc. Wearing last years fashion. Luxuries not bought. That sort of thing.

They managed before China industrialised. That did happen.

 

The most intelligent way to deal with NK is to halt the perpetual invasion war games against NK. Allow them to have security from invasion buy us. Stop all sanctions. And watch NK mind their own business and not be some great threat.

They are acting like any nation would act, in fear of us breaking international law and invading them, as we are now doing to other nations who are not our puppets. We are the bad guys here, unless you can show me how NK has invaded her neighbors or other nations. We are the invaders, not NK. We want them to be the way they are. Our elites get richer from it. War is a Racket.

 

Sry my misunderstanding.

There is a reason the vast majority of the world views them as a terror state and have strict sanctions against them. This is most of the world including China and Russia. Just not enough esp the former. They are a failed state who stays afloat with some help but mostly holding SK hostage especially Seoul. They have MAD against Seoul but they want nukes to widen and broaden that scope.

Not sure how Trump sells attacking NK to the rest of the world esp SK who has the most to lose (and the most to gain). China is responsible for 90% of the NK economy. Squeezing them may just precipitate what we all fear. No one really wants to attack NK. We all hope for a peaceful solution. That is very unlikely to happen. Wish and hope in one hand and you know in the other and see which one fills faster.

 

Why, because you use words that you have no idea what they mean and how ridiculous the context of your use of the word in an alliance between "jihadis" and Iran. You like to spout soundbites that you read without knowledge or backup

 

I don't know. Not millions though so stop with the hyperbole. People's shopping habits would change. Manufacturers would leave China for other countries in a huge hurry (Koreans do it all the time) and start selling from another zip code. What makes you think the inevitable march of money would just stop due to a minor inconvenience?

 

i dont think anyone will temp to start a war between two superpowers, it will be disasters for both. There is no winner between the two.

 

We spend most of our history making what we consumed. So, we know how to do that and we would see the middle class grow again. \

Your cheap goods come from the exploitation of poor people overseas. Not that your ilk cares about working people, that is clear. Just give you your cheap goods.

 

You can't be serious. NK says we want nukes to launch at you and others. They have blackmailed the world for many many years. What makes you think that will stop? They have a failed country and economy so they can't stop being bad actors on the world stage and survive. They get 90% of their countries money/goods/economic engine from China now. Why do you think China is the key to stopping them from getting nukes and a delivery system? They have the 5th largest army in the world on one of the worst economies already. We have problems stopping them because they are threatening Seoul's destruction. They have the largest and some of the only concentration camps in the world to stop their opposition.

And yes NK invaded SK long ago. So they are bad guys. Play your victim card somewhere else. I'm wasting my time talking to people who have no practical understanding of the situation.

 

but the north only wanted to stabilise the country into one
http://www.markedbyteachers.com/as-...sa-act-so-decisively-to-defend-the-south.html

 

First, your phraseology is fallacious, as it includes your conclusion (i.e. that ignoring economic considerations is "stupid" and "short[-]sighted") within the premise.

But more to the point: We should not base foreign policy upon economic considerations.

And we should disentangle ourselves from any hint of globalism--and become entirely nationalist, and self-sustaining.

 

The problem is that Japan--like South Korea--is being made a target for North Korean nukes.

Let us be realistic here.

My guess is that it is mostly young (and sophomoric) people who wish to rid Japan of the American defense umbrella.

Well, the planners at the Pentagon all seem to agree that it would not be difficult, at all, to shoot down a North Korean missile in its test phase. (I heard today, on the news, that the only reason that we did not shoot down this latest North Korean missile is that we wished to learn more about its capability.)

Do you know more than the folks at the Pentagon do, as concerning this?

 

Opening new factories and firms is a long term solution that takes 18+ months to realize. People have to survive the short term first.