I am a good person and I don't need a god for that

You mean that fella in the subway that I kept seeing that was screaming about how we all had to repent because hell and damnation was awaiting us? Him?

Nah, he's as crazy as a $3 bill, as is everyone else who claims to 'speak for a god'.

Besides, which one is the right one? I prefer Odin, myself.

 

The Bible, at various points, proscribes slavery, racism, murder, infanticide, etc. If you didn't know that, then I doubt you've read it.

 

Correction: prescribes, not proscribes.

 

If someone takes some time to read and comprehend the Bible, they'd know the following.

All followers of Jesus are considered slaves or servants to Jesus depending on the how it's translated. Paul did not intend to create a revolution violently overthrowing the Roman government and so did not write to overthrow the system. However, he advocated for peaceful resistance of the system to end it among the followers in effect.

The "racism" of the Old Testament was simply laws governing foreigners vs. laws governing citizens. If someone wants to call this racist, then every country in the world is a bigot. And this is silly. Regardless, any such "racism" disappears in the New Testament.

The killing of others is not fully prohibited in the New or Old Testament. However, Jesus never killed anyone in the New Testament. In fact, no one actually dies in his presence. Jesus is the example, just like for Islam, Mohammed is the example. Just because someone writes about the Holocaust doesn't means that one approves of the Holocaust. Don't be silly.

As for infanticide, once again you are claiming that writing about the Holocaust means that one supports the Holocaust. So do you deny the Holocaust? And if you don't deny the Holocaust, does that mean you support the Holocaust and want it to happen again? Why do you insist on being so silly?

 

If God is the God of the universe, who holds people accountable, then being a 'good person' won't cut it, but I think what you are really saying is that you don't believe God exists, so its a moot point.

This is what the Bible says about 'good persons' who reject God: All our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.

Happy Easter!

 

Please read. According to the Bible, God ORDERED infanticide. It wasn't just "described." According to the Bible, God ORDERED it. You'd know that if you had read the Bible, which you clearly haven't.

 

No, God did not order it, He foresaw it.

 

Yep. Many parts of the Bible describe God in this way: as an immoral monster.

 

The Bible says you are wrong. Again, anyone who has actually read the Bible already knows this.

 

Like everything else out there in the free market of ideas, you have to be a vigilant consumer. That's particularly difficult in times like these where finding the truth is as rare as a finding an honest human being.

 

I have actually read it. but I get a feeling I am wasting my time here.

 

Then you didn't read 1 Samuel 15, though there are other examples.

"Thus saith the Lord of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt.

Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass." By the way, this was centuries later and still a poor excuse for infanticide. I look forward to the creative excuses you guys come up with to excuse this order for infanticide.

 

You're more than welcome to point out the passage you're describing while you're at at it. But I will go ahead and point one since you seem not to want to.

1 Samuel 15:1-3 NLT
One day Samuel said to Saul, “It was the LORD who told me to anoint you as king of his people, Israel. Now listen to this message from the LORD! [2] This is what the LORD of Heaven’s Armies has declared: I have decided to settle accounts with the nation of Amalek for opposing Israel when they came from Egypt. [3] Now go and completely destroy the entire Amalekite nation—men, women, children, babies, cattle, sheep, goats, camels, and donkeys.”

Now did the Bible say God said that or did it say Samuel say God said that. Think about that. What is happening is a description of what happened - it's not telling followers of Jesus who did not even exist at the time of this writing to go slaughter all babies, camels and donkeys. And even if it did, it specifies the Amalekites who don't exist. So, these passages of which there are quite a few are not evidence of the Bible's support of what it describes.

Once again, do you deny the Holocaust? And if you don't deny the Holocaust, does that mean you support the Holocaust and want it to happen again? Why do you insist on being so silly?

 

I did cite the verse, and quoted it. You should try reading it. According to the Bible, Samuel did not follow through with God's orders completely and was cursed for it.

 

I don't think good people ridicule others for their beliefs that have nothing to do with them

 

You didn't cite it until after Pro_Line_FL responded to you.

No. Not what happened at all. First you're mistaking Samuel for Saul. Second, Saul wasn't cursed. He ruled for 40 years after that. He didn't die on the battlefield until 72 . . .

Do you ever bother to read or do you just skim the material and then make up the rest?

Once again, do you deny the Holocaust? And if you don't deny the Holocaust, does that mean you support the Holocaust and want it to happen again? Why do you insist on being so silly?

 

You are correct that it was Saul and not Samuel. Other than that, you missed the part where the Bible says God ordered infanticide (and it wasn't the first time). Why do you insist that biblical literacy is "silly"?

 

Your question is projection. You're still being silly.

Where, in the Bible, does the Bible instruct the followers of Jesus to commit infanticide? Name the specific verse.

Descriptions of people who were not followers of Jesus believing they were told to commit infanticide by God are not instructions by the Bible to the followers of Jesus to commit infanticide. Literacy seems to be evading you at the moment.

Once again, do you deny the Holocaust? And if you don't deny the Holocaust, does that mean you support the Holocaust and want it to happen again? Why do you insist on being so silly?

 

I'm sorry that you think the followers of Jesus don't follow God. You are the first "Christian" I've met who said that.

Yes. I understand that the position of Christians is that it USED to be okay (even required) to commit infanticide and that God later changed his mind. That's part of what I'm criticizing.

The Bible doesn't say God commanded the Holocaust. It does say he commanded infanticide. Why do you insist on not reading?

 

You just conceded the point. No need to go any further. Bye.

 

How about the predictions by near death experiencers that amazingly correspond with Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel and the Minor Prophets?

It is awfully difficult for me to regard this as being mere coincidence!

"The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly." (Jeremiah 23:20)






https://near-death.com/howard-storm-nde/

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah 11&version=RSV

 

No but I'm unclear how and when one acquires "compassion and reason." Does that arrive at 12? 24? 64?

 

Apart from psychopaths, it develops quite naturally. Hell, many non-human animals exhibit it.

 

So your contention is that all people are born good?

 

100% agree. Morally sanctimonious theists are half the stereotyping problem here. Will you agree that I can be an intelligent well educated person and a devout theist ( I am not personally a theist). Because intellectual snobbery/ superiority is the other half of the stereotyping problem here.